Melinda Gates Plays Not My Job
CARL KASELL: Back in January, we were joined by a modest woman who has given away more money than anyone in the history of the world. Melinda Gates is the co-chairman of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. And she joined us along with panelists Peter Grosz, Mo Rocca, and Roxanne Roberts.
PETER SAGAL, HOST:
I asked if she really was the greatest philanthropist in history.
MELINDA GATES: That is true. And it's because of both our wealth that's in the foundation and also our friend Warren Buffett's wealth is in the foundation.
SAGAL: I wanted to ask you about this, because you do all this work all around the world, but it must be weird though to have this wealthy foundation, this involvement in this work. Because when I get up in the morning and I read about death, disease, privation, poverty, I go, "Well, it's not my problem."
SAGAL: But you could actually fix it.
GATES: Well, some of the diseases we do feel that we can make a huge difference in. Something like malaria, we feel like the funding that we've given and the scientists we've been able to garner in the field that hopefully in our lifetimes will actually eradicate malaria off the face of the planet.
PETER GROSZ: I have a bike that I hope to fix that's not working.
GROSZ: So I hope to eradicate the non-working bike.
SAGAL: Wasn't there an event I remember reading about a few years ago in which your husband and partner in this venture, Bill Gates, was at some event and talking about your malaria eradication, and he surprised the room by releasing a bunch of mosquitoes into the room to make some sort of point? Am I making this up or did this happen?
GATES: He did. No, and all the people in the front row all kind of cringed and got down. They wanted to climb under their seats. Luckily, the mosquitoes themselves didn't actually have malaria in the end.
GROSZ: Luckily or intentionally?
SAGAL: Was that like some sort of oversight?
GATES: Well, one of the things - the other thing is that every now and then, you know, Bill likes to put a scientific brain against things. And so one of the other ideas he's got with some friends that may actually be promising is zapping the wings off of mosquitoes. Hard to imagine in Africa, though.
SAGAL: Wait a minute. Zapping them off?
GATES: Well, yeah, it's not going to be a very good century to be a mosquito because between that or chopping their legs off when they land on a mosquito net, we don't think they're going to be long for this world, this particular flavor of mosquito.
SAGAL: All right. What do you do if a bunch of mosquitoes in suits come to the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and they go, "Look, we've got this problem. We'd like your help. These people keep trying to cut off our wings."
SAGAL: And we've...
GATES: We might zap them.
ROXANNE ROBERTS: Can I ask a totally personal question? OK. So...
MO ROCCA: You can ask it.
SAGAL: Try to stop her. Try to stop her, Melinda.
ROBERTS: No, no. I'm going to ask. So you've got, I think, two, three kids, is that right?
GATES: We have three.
ROBERTS: I want to know, so what are you going to tell them about workplace romances?
GATES: Well, I think they could answer that for themselves. It worked out for us. I'm not sure it would work in this day and age, but it certainly did for us.
SAGAL: Well, the story is - since Roxanne has broached this topic - the story is that you were working at Microsoft. It was the early '90s. And Bill Gates, who of course was famously the founder and the CEO at the time of Microsoft, asked you out in a parking lot?
GATES: He did. The first time he asked me out, he said, "Could you go out two weeks from this coming Saturday night?"
GATES: And I said, "Well, that's not exactly spontaneous enough for me. Why don't you call me closer to the date?"
SAGAL: What did you think about that? I mean...
GATES: I was like, wow, who knows their calendar two weeks from Saturday night? Are you kidding? I (unintelligible) day.
SAGAL: Did the phrase "what a dork" cross your mind?
GATES: Well, actually one thing, it does show his humor, which is a couple hours later he called me and he said, "How about tonight?"
ROCCA: Oh, that's nice.
SAGAL: There you go.
GATES: Well, the only problem with that was that he said - right after that he said, "But I do have this user group thing I have to go to and another dinner. So how about some time later tonight?" I'm like, a user group thing? What is that?
GROSZ: That's when you said what a dork.
SAGAL: Was it - I mean, I imagine it was awkward. He was your boss. He was the head of the company you were working at, and you were an accomplished professional. Did you think about, well, what's this going to do in my career? And, I mean, was that a concern?
GATES: Put it this way. When I called my mom she didn't think it was a very good idea.
SAGAL: I imagine you sitting there, like, doing one of those classic pro and con things like con, he's my boss. Pro, he's a billionaire.
GATES: Well, I didn't exactly think we were going to get married, so I thought going out with him once wasn't going to hurt anything.
ROCCA: And who picked up the check?
GATES: Definitely him.
SAGAL: Well, Melinda Gates, we are delighted to have you with us. And we've asked you here to play a game we're calling?
KASELL: But I meant well, your majesty.
SAGAL: We understand, from talking to you, that it's hard to give away money. You have to be careful and thoughtful, do your research. You know what's harder? Giving gifts to the Queen of England. We're going to ask you three questions about gifts given to Queen Elizabeth II. Answer two of those questions correctly, you'll win our prize for one of our listeners. Carl, who is Melinda Gates playing for?
KASELL: Melinda is playing for Sebastian Nillson of San Francisco.
SAGAL: Ready to play?
SAGAL: All right. Now protocol dictates that a visiting head of state is supposed to give something to the Queen that represents their culture, a local craft maybe. So what did French President George Pompidou give the queen - or more specifically give to her consort, the Duke of Edinburgh - when he made a state visit in 1972? Was it A, did he give the Duke of Edinburgh a mistress?
SAGAL: B, a greeting card with $5 in it.
SAGAL: Or C, a 6-foot-long cooler for wine in the shape of a grasshopper?
GATES: I'm going to have to go with A.
SAGAL: You're going to have to go with A.
GROSZ: A mistress.
SAGAL: I'm sorry. Your proposition is that in order to represent French culture, craft, the president of France, George Pompidou in 1972, presented to the Duke of Edinburgh, Queen Elizabeth's consort and husband, a mistress.
GATES: I'm not going to editorialize on my answer. It's got to be A.
SAGAL: No, I'm sorry. In fact, the answer was C, a 6-foot-long cooler for wine in the shape of a grasshopper.
SAGAL: I just have to say that you instantly just became my favorite person ever. So thank you for that.
SAGAL: You still have two more chances. Once South African President Jacob Zuma thought he came up with the perfect gift for the queen, a hand-carved chess set with the pieces modeled after two different tribes of African warriors. But he discovered a problem when what happened? A, the queen looked at the figures and said, "Oh my, I can see their most private parts."
SAGAL: B, he walked past, Zuma did, an identical chess set given to the queen by Nelson Mandela, or C, the Duke of Edinburgh muttered, quote, "Chess is a game for wankers."
GATES: Oh, I'm going to go with B on this one.
SAGAL: An identical chess set given to the queen by Nelson Mandela?
SAGAL: You're right. Yes, indeed.
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SAGAL: It's hard to come up with an original idea these days. All right. Last question. If you get this, you win. The queen gets all kinds of gifts from all kinds of people. The official list of royal gifts includes which of these? A, a black velvet painting of Elvis as Henry VIII.
SAGAL: B, a dozen cans of tuna, or C, a 7-foot high marijuana plant.
GATES: I'm going to have to go with B again.
SAGAL: A dozen cans of tuna?
SAGAL: You're right. Yes.
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SAGAL: The royal family's website, which lists this gift does not say who gave her the tuna or why. Perhaps she was hungry. Carl, how did Melinda Gates do on our show?
KASELL: Melinda had two correct answers, Peter, and that's good enough to win for Sebastian Nilsson. Congratulations.
SAGAL: Well done. Melinda Gates is the co-chair of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation where she focuses on family planning, agriculture, nutrition and U.S. education. Melinda Gates, thank you so much for joining us.
GATES: Thank you.
SAGAL: Very much appreciate it. It's great to talk to you. That does it for our best-of-Not-My-Job show.
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