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Obama Camp Says Idea of "Tie" is Ridiculous

Sen. Barack Obama's campaign manager David Plouffe told reporters Wednesday that the idea that his candidate is on a "tie" with Sen. Hillary Clinton - a line being put forward by the Clinton camp - is ridiculous.

NPR's Audie Cornish reports that in a conference call this morning Plouffe said that Obama is leading the race in PLEDGED delegates and that nothing else matters - neither Michigan or Florida's lost delegates, nor superdelegate's inclinations. Plouffe says Clinton would have to win by landslides in Texas and Ohio in order to get back ahead in pledged delegates.

The most recent delegate count (which does not include the results from the Hawaii caucus, which Obama also won) has Obama with 1319 and Clinton with 1245 - but in terms of pledged delegates, Obama has a much larger lead, 1150 to 1006

 

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If this string of losses were happening to Senator Obama, whom I support, and not Senator Clinton, I would encourage him to step aside and get behind the Democratic nominee.

Since it's the other way around, I kindly urge both Senator Clinton and ex-President Clinton to use their formidable talents and resources to help Senator Obama become the next President of the United States.

The Democratic Party cannot afford to drag this out much longer. The tea leaves have been read, the writing is on the wall, etc., etc. It's time to turn the page and get ready for John McCain.

Sent by Kelley | 11:47 AM ET | 02-20-2008

The only thing more delusional than certain media outlets that persist in failing to remain objective and unbiased in doing their duty to inform the people, and serve the public in their "right to know" the truth, is perhaps the Clintons who keep naming yet another state that becomes the "real testing ground"(how many are possible to have after a ten in a row losing streak?), and the Democratic party for believing that Americans will judge their failure in not getting behind behind the candidate of the people's choice, and instead feeding him to the wolves out there. And the Democratic party wants to be the party of "leadership"? They are demonstrating an inability to be in touch with REALITY. How can they lead into tomorrow, if they can't even get a pulse on what Democrats, Independents and even Republicans are saying all across America: WE CHOOSE OBAMA.

Sent by Hope | 11:49 AM ET | 02-20-2008

The Democratic party has already chosen it's candidates; the stuffy suits of the party are just too blind to see it; We choose Obama!

Sent by true_blue | 12:06 PM ET | 02-20-2008

It appears that the Clintons are contemplating behind the scene maneuvers to get Superdelegates to decide this nomination in favor of Senator Clinton. If this race were to settle by Superdelagates and ignore the popular votes. As a Democrate I would change party affiliation and not vote on Novemeber and I would also urge my fellow democrate friends to do the same. The nomination must go to the candidate who earns more EARNED DELEGATES.
With respect to Florida & Michigan, the DNC should split those delegates 50/50 (183 to Obama & 183 to Clinton) that would ensure both States a voice at the convention.
So far Obama proved that he could win in a majority of States in the Union. We will have to win across the board to recapture the white house in November. Thus, far it appears that demcrates across the country are choosing the candidate that could win over McCain in a general election.

Sent by Jean M Badio | 12:22 PM ET | 02-20-2008

The media coverage of these two "front-runners" is all about looking for a fight between them.
Instead of blood sport, how about examining actual policy proposals? How about comparing and contrasting with McCain? How about reporters taking the time to ask questions of the candidates, not regurgitate their spokespeople's sales pitches.

What a mess. And we call this "democracy"?

Give me a break.

Sent by Brian | 12:40 PM ET | 02-20-2008

Several surveys show that McCain would beat Clinton in the general election. Republicans would love Hillary to run. Imagine the skeletons waiting to come out of her closet. I'm afraid!

Sent by Ron Battista | 12:45 PM ET | 02-20-2008

MY LIBERAL FRIENDS ARE SAYING THAT THEY ARE VOTING FOR OBAMA TO KNOCK SENATER CLINTON OUT OF THE RACE BECAUSE SHE VERY WELL CAN BEAT MCAIN IN THE ELECTIONS, SO WITH HER OUT THE WAY MCAIN HAS THE PRESIDENCY WRAP UP.

Sent by EVETTE H | 12:47 PM ET | 02-20-2008

Seantor Obama is clearly briging this nation and the demcaratic party together. Why does Senator Clinton refuse to stand behind her party and reconize the person that the nation is truly going out to vote for. Obama has done more to get citizens involed in voting again. This would be the best thing to do to bring the Democratic Party together.

Sent by Ervin James | 1:32 PM ET | 02-20-2008

At this point, I don't think it is even possible for Clinton to "steal" the election. She would need robust support from Super delegates (approx. 200 more super delegates). Thats about 450 to 250 or 64% to 36% -- a 28 point margin. Even if we can say the majority of the establishment opposes Obama, they don't oppose him that much. And not all super delegates are "establishment".

Sent by Nat | 1:36 PM ET | 02-20-2008

Is the current situation in one community in TEXAS ( where early voting has begun), any indication of the very old dirty politics of old that Senator Obama has been repeatedly advocating that the American people want CHANGE from? Right now, there are what appears to be thousands of students protesting at a university where, all voting booths except one have been removed?

Is the current situation in Texas a repetition of what took place in Ohio, a few years back, where thousands of studnets stood on lines ALL DAY LONG, and were unable to vote?

I am beginning to wonder who actually gets to decide WHO our next president will be?
We the people?
Or the guys in the back room smoking cigars and making deals with one another for themselves?

Where is the leadership in the democratic party?

The leadership of the Democratic party is in Barack Obama!
The problem is, that the old suits too entrenched with their personal interests, don't seem to be in touch with reality, or the will and the voice of the people whom they represent.

And they will pay dearly for their failure to get behind Obama and support him.


We've spoken in over 21 states.

WE CHOOSE OBAMA!

Hillary should conduct herself like a team player, and step aside.
The people have spoken, and apparently, the national average is also speaking:

Obama wins over McCain...(by over SEVEN POINTS!)
Clinton loses over McCain...(double digits)

PS: I agree with the person who says that if the Democratic party tries to un-do the will of the people, the action they will take is to leave the party. I will not only vote for McCain, I will also leave the democratic party.

WE CHOOSE OBAMA!!!

I wonder what ACTION the Republican and Democratic party is taking in order to address this serious problem occuring in TEXAS, where early voting has begun, which appears to be making voting DIFFICULT for THOUSANDS who are trying to vote.

The good people of Texas are trying to exercise their voice in the democratic process and all the voting booths have been removed except for one - for thousands to vote in?

It sure doesn't look like a "tie" to me!
But if the media would cover the story, maybe America could open the windows and let the air of DEMOCRACY COME IN!

Maybe we just might reclaim our heritage, our identity, and perhaps even re-claim those "truths" that we profess to hold as sacred, truths which thousands of Americans hope to share in one day.

WE CHOOSE OBAMA!!!

Sent by Hope | 1:47 PM ET | 02-20-2008

Let's just see how it plays out--I fail to feel or see the urgency to have Clinton drop out! The race is on. It's great for American press and such a race involves far more than just those who are for or against either of the democratic candidates. It's a worldwide phenomenon and democracy at its best!

Sent by Susan Jaragosky | 1:58 PM ET | 02-20-2008

The republicans are drooling at the chance to run against Hillary. I have a couple Republican friends who are able to vote in democratic primaries who voted for her..just to give McCain a shot. Sadly, I think the Clintons, out of ego, will drag this to the wire and tear the party apart in the process. Some "solutions" the have!! The Democratic party has a real chance top win this year. Again, watch them destroy themselves with poor choices and not listening to the VOTERS!

Sent by Cat | 2:23 PM ET | 02-20-2008

Obama's people assumes that if Clinton drops out that all her support automatically goes to him. I consider myself a middle of the road Democrat looking for competency in office. If Obama wins the nomination I will support McCain. If the democratic party goes with a liberal McGovernish canidate such as Obama they will lose again. Middle America is not going to support the attitude thae Michell Obama expressed. I am proud of my country and will gravitate to a canidate who is also proud of Americ.

Sent by Iatrogenic | 2:32 PM ET | 02-20-2008

I have always thought that a "tie" is defined as participants having an EQUAL share of something. If the Clinton campaign view the race between their candidate and Obama as a tie, I believe then that they have redefined the meaning.

Interestingly, this is very reminiscent of a quote once heard, "It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is."

The meaning of the word "tie" is clear (as is the word 'is'). Once again, words associated with "Clinton" are evasive and denying.

Be wary of Clinton-speak. For, if you are not, few words you hear will ever have true meaning.

Sent by Steve D. | 2:32 PM ET | 02-20-2008

Barack Obama's ability to win both Democrats, Independents, and some Republicans, as well as appeal to voters in the North, South, East, and West makes him the best canidate for retaking the White House in the fall. When you combine this with the record Democratic and Independent turnout you have a can't miss formula for fall victory. I don't know why the Clinton campaign can't see this.

Sent by Charles in Omaha | 2:42 PM ET | 02-20-2008

I for one am enjoying this race and hope neither one of the candidates concedes defeat until the convention. The media and everyone else seem to miss the point: Americans are already choosing their next President, and they are choosing a Democrat. Just compare the number of people voting in the primaries for Republican and the number of people voting Democratic. November will be a landslide for whichever Democratic canidate comes out of this the victor.

Sent by Adam | 2:54 PM ET | 02-20-2008

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/03/us/politics/03exelon.html?scp=1&sq=obama+nuclear+legislation&st=nyt
Obama is a weak leader and apparently a big skinny liar. Cut and paste the link for the Ney York Times article and give your opinion.

Sent by Jane | 3:05 PM ET | 02-20-2008

Having watched Obama's several speeches, I found there is a pattern here:

Obama: ".....Future...Hope...Change...Change... We can't wait! ..."

Audience: "Yes We Can" (like Bob Builder???

Obama: "... That is not true ... Change...Change...At this moments, we see big changes..."

Audience: ???We Will Change"

Obama: "... Change we believe in"

Audience: "Yeah"


Do you know HOW to change? No one cares; and he does not know, either.

Sent by copy cat | 4:00 PM ET | 02-20-2008

Congratulations to Senator Clinton for managing to morph herself into a candidate only Karl Rove could be proud of. She now looks, sounds, and strategizes in a way that is no different than any run-of-the-mill neo-conservative.

Her arrogance is unparalleled and her campaign a fiasco. If she can't even manage this well, then how can we trust her to be Commander-in-Chief on "day one"?

I think the "top brass" of the Democratic Party need to have a long, hard talk with Billary about how much damage their ego-driven quest could have on our chances in November.

She needs to do the classy thing: stop sligging mud and trying to steal Obama's pledged delegates, graciously step aside, and salvage the last bit of respect and nostalgia we have for them.

Sent by Nick | 4:00 PM ET | 02-20-2008

And we, at this blog, are allowing scurrilous comments like Jane's (I can't wait to see how womeone jusifies the "skinny" epithet to be included), as well as advbertising links....hmmmm....Jane has bad taste, insults an indiviual's person, posts links....and unless she can prove Obama to be a liar, is libelous (oh .... right...on the web, cowards can do that anonymously). If that doesn't get your post deleted from this blog, what, pray tell does?

Sent by History Professor | 4:05 PM ET | 02-20-2008

also from Newsweek
http://www.newsweek.com/id/113672
"The Obama Delusion-- The gap between his rhetoric and the reality of his views."

Sent by Kcarab Amabo | 4:07 PM ET | 02-20-2008

I glanced at the links posted by Jane and Kcarab, and neither seems to be related to this particular thread except for the fact that they are about Obama. Seems like a stretch since neither article appears to be connected to the delegate count or who is in the lead, and neither poster has made a case for there being a connection. I agree with History Professor - those posts should be taken down, or, at the very least, they should be moved to a more relevant thread.

Sent by JP | 6:28 PM ET | 02-20-2008

It's not over until the fat lady sings; and that's NOT Hillary. We all put on weight in our senior years.

I am totally in support of Barack, but am open to Hillary Clinton's efforts to win back the race. Let's face it, up to this moment, Barack Obama has waged a more powerful campaign. He has responded to the passionate needs of most Americans; hope! If Hillary can one up him, so be it. I loved Bill Clinton but am not quite as passionate about Hillary. I hope this doesn't reflect gender bias on my part. I was the first woman at Lockheed to go out on a DISABILITY leave. Others were summarily fired. That was back in 1979. Thanks to women like Hillary Clinton, our lot in life if more humane. However, does this make her the best Presidential candidate? I'm not convinced but know that I LOVE Barack Obama.

Sent by Christina | 11:37 PM ET | 02-20-2008



   
   
   
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