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Geography and the 2008 Vote So Far

(Tom Note: Howard Berkes wasn't able to file this piece until late Friday afternoon, and I didn't want it to get lost because of the weekend, so I'm moving it back up today.)

An analysis of the 2008 primary and caucus voting results indicates a geographic split in the Democratic Party, and a geographic challenge for Republican nominee John McCain.

The county-by-county assessment of votes shows that Barack Obama is strongest in cities where Democrats typically do very well anyway. Obama also does well in rural counties with significant African-American populations. (There are some exceptions to this trend. Obama did well in largely white rural Wisconsin).

But Hillary Clinton is strongest in rural counties that also tend to be predominately white and lower income. These are counties that have tended to vote overwhelmingly Republican in the last two presidential elections. Indeed, lopsided support in these rural counties is credited with giving President Bush his margins of victory in both 2000 and 2004.

The same analysis also shows that Republican John McCain is strongest in urban areas, which Republicans lost by wide margins in the last two presidential contests.

"There's a rural and urban split that seems to go beyond the basic demographic categories we normally look at," says Bill Bishop, the writer who conducted the analysis, along with geographer Timothy Murphy. They've posted their findings in a series of stories in the Daily Yonder, an online publication from the Center for Rural Strategies, a rural issues advocacy group.

Bishop and Murphy break down every primary and caucus state by county and then determine whether the county is urban, exurban or rural. Finally, they plug in the actual primary and caucus votes.

In one analysis, Obama garners 72 percent of Democratic "landslide" counties so far, which are counties John Kerry won by more than 20 percentage points in 2004. Clinton has dominated 62 percent of the Republican "landslide" counties, which George Bush won by more than 20 points in the last presidential election.

The Bishop-Murphy work is making the rounds of political analysts and campaign activists.

"The Clinton people say this shows she's the best to pick up votes in red (and rural) counties," Bishop says. "The Obama people say there's no way to project from a primary to a general election."

Republicans are taking notice, as well. "To a large degree, John McCain is being nominated by voters creating delegates in states Republicans have precious little chance to win," suggests William Greener, a Republican political consultant with the firm Greener and Hook, who has focused on the impact of the rural vote in the last two presidential elections.

Greener has teamed with Democratic pollster Anna Greenberg on a series of political polls targeting rural voters during the 2004 presidential and 2006 congressional campaigns. She notes President Bush's success in rural areas in 2004 due to appeals to moral values and social issues.

"McCain is a tougher sell in rural areas," Greenberg says. "He doesn't have the natural evangelical base."

On the Democratic side, Greenberg sees a connection between the places showing support for Obama or Clinton, and the people who tend to live there. "Clinton's doing better with white, working class and older voters. Obama's doing better with younger, college-educated voters. Clinton's voters are more likely to live in rural areas and Obama's voters are more likely to live in urban areas, except for some African-American voters in southern states."

This is especially true in Ohio and Texas, where Clinton won more than 60 percent of the Democratic primary vote. "The fact that the rural populations of Ohio and Texas tend to be more white, less educated, and older than the urban populations undoubtedly explains a good part, although maybe not all, of the rural-urban difference," notes Alan Abramowitz, a professor of Political Science at Emory University.

But writer Bill Bishop sees a stronger geographic explanation for the rural-urban voting pattern so far. Bishop wrote an entire book on this phenomenon, called The Big Sort: Why the Clustering of Like-Minded America is Tearing Us Apart (Houghton Mifflin, 2008).

"Americans have been separating for the past 30 years according to the way we want to live," Bishop contends. He argues that Americans have been clustering in neighborhoods and communities with people who are just like them. "People with the same demographic characteristics have different politics depending on where they live.The demographic splits everyone talks about all the time now tend to be driven by these geographic patterns."

Specific issues play a role in aligning these like-minded neighbors politically. Political scientist Peter Francia of East Carolina University cites the economy as a factor in the Clinton-Obama geography, and in the prospects for the Democratic nominee in November. He also mentions the Ohio and Texas primaries as examples.

"In Ohio, the loss of manufacturing jobs has taken a toll on the economy, with rural areas especially hard-hit," Francia says. "Two-thirds of Democratic primary voters in Texas said they were very or somewhat worried about their financial situation. Hillary campaigned very aggressively on the issue of the economy in Ohio and Texas, and that may have had a particularly significant impact in rural areas."

Francia sees implications for the final vote in November. "Republican candidates have used social issues to win the rural vote. However, with the economy on the minds of so many rural Americans, that script could change in 2008."

Does that make Hillary Clinton more elect-able than Barack Obama? "The Clinton people say (this geographic trend) is predictive. The Obama people think that's crazy," says writer Bill Bishop. "The question is whether this carries over to the Fall, and on that I don't know."

-- Howard Berkes, Rural Affairs Correspondent


 

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Okay, I'm really intrigued with this new idea to solve the superdelegate problems with the Democrats at their convention. Since neither Hillary nor Barack will have enough delegates to take the nomination right off the bat.

At the convention, the superdelegates might go into the back room and come out having nominated Al Gore as their Democratic Party Nominee.

Dang! Didn't I say back around last summer that the Democrats could win this whole thing with Gore at the helm. What the buzz was all this Clinton and Obama argument stuff about, anyway?

And as for paying for the Florida redo, wouldn't you know that Florida Senator Bill Nelson would take his cue from Michigan Governor Jennifer Granholm. You might remember Governor Jennifer the Canadian suggested maybe someone private like Warren Buffet could pay for the redos.

Except there are these problems with rules about soft money. And Howard Dean has already made such a huge stink about everyone changing the rules, that it has gotten really hard for Howard Dean to get away with changing the rules.

Senator Bill Nelson apparently called Howard Dean and said, "Look, Howard. You know that table where the DNC keeps all its money piles stacked? Well, you go over there and bump the table so that the right hand corner full stack of bills falls on the floor.....about twenty million or so worth.......and we call the money that hits the floor soft money. And we'll come up with the name of a private donor who maybe we'll keep anonymous or something."

So, Florida will have found a way to have a mail-in redo vote without realizing that at the convention the superdelegates might just chose Al Gore to be the party nominee, and be done with it.

Who says the DNC is nothing if it isn't imaginative.

And the really good part of this whole scenario, the Justices of the Supreme Court can breath easier cause now they won't have to get involved in the Constitutional questions created by Howard Dean's ego when he summarily disenfranchised the voters of Michigan and Florida who weren't praying to the Howard Dean craven image anymore.

What the heck was that thing Howard Dean screamed that got him knocked out of the race during Dean's presidential bid? HEEEEYAAAAAA!! Or some rodeo sound something like that?

fred camorra call

Sent by fred camorra call | 9:26 PM ET | 03-07-2008

Could Hillary's victories in these Republican strong-holds be because Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter have been urging their listeners to vote for her? I have always felt the Republican's would rather face her in November because she is unelectable.

Sent by Susanne Heck | 9:16 AM ET | 03-08-2008

As a Republican, I hope Hillary Clinton gets the Democratic nomination for she will unite us behind John McCain. But as an American I hope for Barack.

Sent by Garry C Harris, MD | 1:05 PM ET | 03-08-2008

Some more on the political geography: A while back a good many NPR listeners jumped on Jeremy Scahill's articles about Blackwater.

So, what has Jeremy Scahill have to say about Barack Obama? Apparently Barack Obama is not strong on any plans for taking Blackwater out of Iraq. Let's take a quick look at parts of Scahill's article:

Obama's Mercenary Position
by JEREMY SCAHILL
The Nation, March 17, 2008 issue

A senior foreign policy adviser to leading Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama has told The Nation that if elected Obama will not "rule out" using private security companies like Blackwater Worldwide in Iraq.

The clearest way for him to do that would be to endorse legislation banning the use of Blackwater and other mercenary firms in Iraq. In November Schakowsky and Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders introduced the Stop Outsourcing Security (SOS) Act, which mandates that US personnel undertake all diplomatic security in Iraq within six months of enactment. The bill has twenty-three co-sponsors in the House and one--Sanders--in the Senate. Sanders said he'd "love" it if Obama and Clinton signed on. "If either of them came on board, we'd certainly see more Democratic support," says Sanders. Will Obama do that before November? "The answer is no, in all candor," says the senior Obama adviser. "Obviously it's a dynamic situation, and he'll continue to analyze it."

The senior adviser said, "Senator Obama is concerned that Blackwater remains in Iraq, and he's concerned that they remain in Iraq and other countries totally unaccountable to US law and totally unaccountable to the law in the country in which they are operating." Which raises the question: If he's so concerned, why not throw his support behind a ban on the use of these forces in Iraq?


fred camorra call

Sent by fred camorra call | 8:29 PM ET | 03-08-2008

When is NPR going to start refering to Texas as an Obama win? Or at least that the results are unknown until the caucus results are certified. The primary does not stand alone - the caucus is where 1/3 of the delegates come from - and when the primary and caucus are combined, as they should be, Obama will win Texas.

Sent by BTM | 9:24 PM ET | 03-08-2008

Re Garry Harris's comment: Shouldn't we always vote as Americans? Our country is divided today because of the insistence of the national parties that it is more important to be identified a Republican or Democrat than as an American.

Sent by Tom Jackman | 11:41 AM ET | 03-10-2008

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