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Obama Campaign Skewers Clinton E-mail Statement

Wednesday morning, the Clinton campaign sent reporters and bloggers covering the campaign a statement that consisted of questions and comments under the title of "Keystone Test: Obama Losing Ground."

The Obama campaign's communications department decided to annotate those questions and comments with some comments of their own... and boy, they held nothing back.

Below you'll find the annotated e-mail that has been making the rounds of the media. The Obama campaign's comments are in bold.

To: Interested Parties
From: Clinton Campaign
Date: Wednesday, March 12, 2008
Re: Keystone Test: Obama Losing Ground
[Get ready for a good one.]


The path to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue goes through Pennsylvania so if Barack Obama can't win there, how will he win the general election?

[Answer: I suppose by holding obviously Democratic states like California and New York, and beating McCain in swing states like Colorado, Iowa, Minnesota, Missouri, Virginia and Wisconsin where Clinton lost to Obama by mostly crushing margins. But good question.]

After setbacks in Ohio and Texas, Barack Obama needs to demonstrate that he can win the state of Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania is the last state with more than 15 electoral votes on the primary calendar and Barack Obama has lost six of the seven other largest states so far -- every state except his home state of Illinois.

[If you define "setback" as netting enough delegates out of our 20-plus-point wins in Mississippi and Wyoming to completely erase any delegate advantage the Clinton campaign earned out of March 4th, then yeah, we feel pretty setback.]

Pennsylvania is of particular importance, along with Ohio, Florida and Michigan, because it is dominated by the swing voters who are critical to a Democratic victory in November. No Democrat has won the presidency without winning Pennsylvania since 1948. And no candidate has won the Democratic nomination without winning Pennsylvania since 1972.

[What the Clinton campaign secretly means: PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE FACT THAT WE'VE LOST 14 OF THE LAST 17 CONTESTS AND SAID THAT MICHIGAN AND FLORIDA WOULDN'T COUNT FOR ANYTHING. Also, we're still trying to wrap our minds around the amazing coincidence that the only "important" states in the nominating process are the ones that Clinton won.]

But the Obama campaign has just announced that it is turning its attention away from Pennsylvania.

[Huh?]

This is not a strategy that can beat John McCain in November.

[I don't think Clinton's strategy of losing in state after state after promising more of the same politics is working all that well either.]

In the last two weeks, Barack Obama has lost ground among men, women, Democrats, independents and Republicans -- all of which point to a candidacy past its prime.

["A candidacy past its prime." These guys kill me.]

For example, just a few weeks ago, Barack Obama won 68% of men in Virginia, 67% in Wisconsin and 62% in Maryland. He won 60% of Virginia women and 55% of Maryland women. He won 62% of independents in Maryland, 64% in Wisconsin and 69% in Virginia. Obama won 59% of Democrats in Maryland, 53% in Wisconsin and 62% in Virginia. And among Republicans, Obama won 72% in both Virginia and Wisconsin.

But now Obama's support has dropped among all these groups.

[That's true, if you don't count all the winning we've been up to. As it turns out, it's difficult to maintain 40-point demographic advantages, even over Clinton]

In Mississippi, he won only 25% of Republicans and barely half of independents. In Ohio, he won only 48% of men, 41% of women and 42% of Democrats. In Texas, he won only 49% of independents and 46% of Democrats. And in Rhode Island, Obama won just 33% of women and 37% of Democrats.

[I'm sympathetic to their attempt to parse crushing defeats. And I'm sure Rush Limbaugh's full-throated endorsement of Clinton didn't make any difference. Right]

Why are so many voters turning away from Barack Obama in state after state?

[You mean besides the fact that we're ahead in votes, states won and delegates?]

In the last few weeks, questions have arisen about Obama's readiness to be president. In Virginia, 56% of Democratic primary voters said Obama was most qualified to be commander-in-chief. That number fell to 37% in Ohio, 35% in Rhode Island and 39% in Texas.

[Only the Clinton campaign could cherry pick states like this. But in contrast to their logic, in the most recent contest of Mississippi, voters said that Obama was more qualified to be commander in chief than Clinton by a margin of 55-42.]

So the late deciders -- those making up their minds in the last days before the election -- have been shifting to Hillary Clinton. Among those who made their decision in the last three days, Obama won 55% in Virginia and 53% in Wisconsin, but only 43% in Mississippi, 40% in Ohio, 39% in Texas and 37% in Rhode Island.

[If only there were enough late deciders for the Clinton campaign to actually be ahead, they would really be on to something.]

If Barack Obama cannot reverse his downward spiral with a big win in Pennsylvania, he cannot possibly be competitive against John McCain in November.

[If they are defining downward spiral as a series of events in which the Clinton campaign has lost more votes, lost more contests and lost more delegates to us ... I guess we will have to suffer this horribly painful slide all the way to the nomination and then on to the White House.]

[Thanks for the laughs guys. This was great.]

 

Comments (Send a comment)

oh snap.

Sent by Gregory Ng | 9:55 AM ET | 03-13-2008

I believe the correct term is:
aaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwww SNAP!

Sent by davidconnell | 10:15 AM ET | 03-13-2008

The Clinton campaign will say anything to skew the results and make it seem like they hold the advantage. They can't fool me though, I passed my 4th grade math class.

Sent by Greg | 10:18 AM ET | 03-13-2008

I think this is a great example of the generational divide between the two campaigns. This is the off the cuff, casual, twitter style commentary that is the main mode of communication in "Web 2.0" It seems like one of my friends could have written it!

Sent by Patrick | 10:28 AM ET | 03-13-2008

I guess HRC just does not get it !!

btw..nice rebuttals

Sent by /pd | 10:38 AM ET | 03-13-2008

Obama's staffers should do this to all of Clinton's speeches.

Sent by mj | 10:39 AM ET | 03-13-2008

ROFL....this is a guy on the Titanic yelling at everyone that it's not really sinking, don't worry that 54% of the ship is underwater.

Goodbye Hillary, thanks for playing.

Sent by Scott | 10:49 AM ET | 03-13-2008

Ooh, touchdown, team Obama.

I can't wait until after Pennsylvania, when the Clinton campaign starts discussing the vital strategic importance of West Virginia and Kentucky. Ha ha.

Sent by L | 11:01 AM ET | 03-13-2008

Damn,I love me some information age.

Sent by Known Human | 11:36 AM ET | 03-13-2008

Great response Team Obama. Just watch out for her sucker punches. Expect them from here on out. Some good solid jabs right between the nose and upper lip (like your retort to her email) will keep her in check.

Sent by Roger | 11:55 AM ET | 03-13-2008

Perhaps its generational? I think these answers are snotty and trite and don't make any significant meaningful contribution to any debate. Is this really how you want your President to speak?

Sent by RB | 12:10 PM ET | 03-13-2008

The sheer immaturity of a campaign that releases this sort of material astounds me.

Sent by helen | 12:10 PM ET | 03-13-2008

This is a great response, but I don't see any evidence that it actually came from the Obama campaign, and the "From: Clinton Campaign" line seems pretty thin too.

Citation needed?

Sent by Neolefty | 12:20 PM ET | 03-13-2008

Which material? The original letter that is so laughably absurd in its "facts". PA is NOT the last state with a significant number of delegates. The honorable 119 delegates from NC would respectfully disagree. But then again, her campaign loves to cherry pick the states she's won and ignore the states she's lost. Obama's campaign treated this letter with the respect and dignity it deserved.

Sent by Eddie | 12:26 PM ET | 03-13-2008

lollercoaster!

Republiclintons on the attack!

NHPR???s Laura Knoy: ???So, if you value the DNC calendar, why not just pull out of Michigan? Why not just say, Hey Michigan, I???m off the ballot????

Hillary Clinton: ???Well, you know, It???s clear, this election they???re having is not going to count for anything???

Here???s a link to the short (edited) sound byte with the interviewer???s question and the response:

http://www.jabberwonk.com/flinker.cfm?cliid=zydzt

Here???s a link to the unedited longer byte with her full answer:

http://www.jabberwonk.com/flinker.cfm?cliid=u01y4

Here???s the link to the full original NHPR interview on 10/10/07 :

http://www.nhpr.org/node/13858

I think that is it pretty clear that she has ???changed??? her position on this now that she is not winning.

Sent by Jimmy Crackcorn | 12:26 PM ET | 03-13-2008

I think you're right - it is generational. Everyone under the age of 50 in this country obviously reacts strongly to outright racism by senior campaign officials. Apparently, Hilary's core demographic doesn't mind that much as long as the remarks aren't (gasp) sexist.

Sent by BM | 12:27 PM ET | 03-13-2008

These questions are foolish. Does the Clinton camp really think that the position of Pennsylvania Ave is of any significance to the general election? Someone needs to get their head checked.

Sent by Tim | 12:28 PM ET | 03-13-2008

Finally! A forum where the Obama camp can make light of Clinton comments- especially after the pre-mature "Oh, he can be my VICE if he wants to."

The Clintons are so manipulative. Good job team Obama!

Sent by EZB | 12:31 PM ET | 03-13-2008

To whom was this sent? It's funny and on the mark for an inside the camp joke, but it's snarky and immature as any kind of official campaign release. I'd like to know more background than what this post provides.

This could be a black eye for the Obama campaign, but it may also be a sign that in this modern communications era, inside jokes don't stay inside anymore, and we the public need to adjust to these things getting out.

Sent by Max | 12:33 PM ET | 03-13-2008

Obama is number one in states won, number one in delegates, and number one in the popular vote. Hilary asked her supporters to throw their support behind Obama in the general. This thing is over. Let's get on with Obama responding with hope to John McCain. On to the real race, and on to the White House.

Sent by Roach | 12:36 PM ET | 03-13-2008

The message I am hearing from the HRC campaign is: "Success is failure! Bigotry is equality! To hope is to despair!"

Sent by Mark | 12:40 PM ET | 03-13-2008

Citation definitely needed. Good points, but made in a snarky manner inconsistent with the tone of the Obama campaign.

Sent by armoredgorilla | 12:44 PM ET | 03-13-2008

As entertaining as this is, there's no way it actually came as an official response from the Obama camp. It's far too snarky and condescending. I can't imagine it being anything more than a humorous rant being circulated amongst the low-level staffers, if anything.

It's still many levels above the crap that Ferraro has been spewing lately.

Sent by The Raging Platypus, Devourer of Taro Buns | 12:44 PM ET | 03-13-2008

Pwned again Ms. Clinton

Sent by Bytie | 12:47 PM ET | 03-13-2008

"The sheer immaturity of a campaign that releases this sort of material astounds me."
Yeah, I can't believe the Clinton campaign would release this sort of trash.

Sent by Ed | 12:48 PM ET | 03-13-2008

For the folks saying that this speech is too mature... What's so mature about outdated political spin that even a 9 year old can see through? Was commenting that Obama could be her VP while she was so far behind considered "mature"?

And what about her little immitation of Obama where she pretends to be him and looks toward the heavens.... "mature"?

Clinton may speak in the same tones as a bitter old woman, but that doesn't make her mature. That only makes her "more of the same".

Sent by raymond | 12:53 PM ET | 03-13-2008

Regarding the comments that this was a snotty or immature response, I would say yes it is a generational divide perception issue. The responses added clear factual points in response to the ones offered in the original missive and did so in a manner that quickly and unambiguously defined the intent and bias of their comment.

The responses interspersed through the original is a quite common method of replying and is the standard method of getting actual work done in the current professional world. It was of an appropriate tone for conversation between colleagues, which the Senators are. Speaking from a generation that puts getting good work done quickly and efficiently as paramount, I am more offended by Senator Clinton's attempt to mislead me from reality by cherry picking facts than the casual tone of the rebuttal. I'd fire any subordinate who pulled that crap - as an engineer, it can and has killed people and as a voter it is insulting.

Sent by jhw539 | 12:55 PM ET | 03-13-2008

"Is this really how you want your President to speak?"

Yes. I would rather have my president tell the truth and be a bit snotty than eloquently lie to my face. I hope, for the sake of this country, that most people feel the same way.

Sent by Ben | 12:56 PM ET | 03-13-2008

RB

I'd like my President to speak honestly and not try and mislead me down the wrong path by twisting numbers to support his/her own agenda. I have no problem with a campaign staffer rebutting arguments in this way. I doubt Obama was sitting at his computer giggling while typing these comebacks.

Sent by JS | 12:56 PM ET | 03-13-2008

haha.. Xerox that.

Sent by It's Over | 12:58 PM ET | 03-13-2008

Fool me once shame on me. Fool me twice. You can't get fooled again.

Sent by Al | 12:59 PM ET | 03-13-2008

@RB

It's a snotty reply to a snotty email. We're learning here that the Obama Campaign can and will hit back harder than it's hit.

You all are scared that Obama will be damaged goods after this primary. I say that McCain better put on his Baghdad Market flak-jacket and Kevlar helmet, because it's gonna be incoming.

Sent by John | 1:09 PM ET | 03-13-2008

Obama's campaign & supporters are a pretty nasty bunch. They all resort to namecalling & juvenile retorts on various blogs for the past few months. If this is the kind of "unity" he inspires, heaven help us if he gets to the White House. This guy only inspires rudeness and sarcastic remarks. My vote will be for Sen. Clinton, and if she's not the nominee, I'll vote for McCain.

Sent by ee-baltimore | 1:10 PM ET | 03-13-2008

The gall of Hillary to think and act like she is ahead in this race. It just goes to show you how unqualified she is to be President if this is how she is interpreting her crushing defeats.

Sent by Tom | 1:10 PM ET | 03-13-2008

@helen
"The sheer immaturity of a campaign that releases this sort of material astounds me."

I agree. The Clinton Campaign should be ashamed of itself.

Sent by John | 1:11 PM ET | 03-13-2008

I may not want my president to speak exactly like this, but I do want him (or her) to stand up and punch back when someone comes out with trite and pointless spin. Do you really want a president who can't honestly assess her position, admit to mistakes and missteps, and then focus on her strenghts? To keep saying "we really are winning" when one isn't and then attempt to prove the untrue is farscial. Then again, she is the husband of the man who wanted to define "is."

Sent by TM | 1:13 PM ET | 03-13-2008

Where's the official source that those comments are from the Obama campaign? I can't find it on their website, that's for sure.

Sent by Aaron | 1:15 PM ET | 03-13-2008

I'm curious how they define Obama's 3 delegate victory in Texas as a "setback"

Sent by Clint Memo | 1:18 PM ET | 03-13-2008

citation:
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=6498

Sent by deedee | 1:25 PM ET | 03-13-2008

RB - I think we can both agree this isn't how we want our president to talk. That's why I find Team Obama's response so enlightening.

As a former supporter of Hilary i continue to wonder what happened to the gracious and smart woman i initially found so captivating. She's done everything short of exclaiming "But, it's not his turn, it's MINE!" and sitting down for a good pout.

Im afraid she'll drive more people out of the party than a thousand Reagans ever could.

Sent by Kevin | 1:25 PM ET | 03-13-2008

I am glad we can joke about it, but the longer Clinton holds out the idea that she can actually win the nom, the more ground we lose to The Big Red.

Sent by Alex Szeliga | 1:35 PM ET | 03-13-2008

*chuckle*

... and I thought Obama's people were supposed to be the delusional ones.

HRC needs an intervention, a reality check AND a wake-up call.

Better yet, honey, just do the democrat party... AND the American people a favor: STEP ASIDE.

Sent by April Foxx | 1:38 PM ET | 03-13-2008

Hi

I can confirm that I received the original statement from the Clinton campaign yesterday morning. And I received the Obama response from people in the Obama camp and also from several reporters who also received a copy.

Tom Regan

Sent by Tom Regan | 1:41 PM ET | 03-13-2008

@ Helen
People going for such "sheer immaturity" shows how bad the other choice is.
You can keep Clinton, Bush and McCain's maturity. Thanks you.

Sent by Too immature for Iraq | 1:47 PM ET | 03-13-2008

ee-baltimore - You fear change. You enjoy being lied to. It's not entirely your fault, you've been conditioned to react this way by years of "politics as usual". But to vote McCain, because you feel "they are ALL rude people name calling" during the campaign, is flat stupid. Don't you realize what is at stake here? You have your head in the sand.

Sent by matthew | 1:54 PM ET | 03-13-2008

I think some of you ought to realize that Clinton sees this election as possibly her last and only chance at the Whitehouse. If Obama wins the nomination and wins the Presidency, she will not have another shot to run until most likely 2016, at which time she will be 70 years old. I believe it unfortunately poses a problem running for President of the US as an elderly woman and I think she realizes this. If she can't win, I don't think she has any problem damaging the dems chance at winning the election so that she has a shot going up against McCain in 2012 instead of having Obama as an incumbent. Don't forget, her running for senator of NY as soon as an there was an opening - she was driven by her political aspirations and had her eye on the presidency from the start. She had only lived in the state a few weeks before gaining residency and running as senator from that state. Entitled to the presidency? Indeed.

Sent by Karen Johnson | 1:59 PM ET | 03-13-2008

I like to think the Obama campaign's response to this attack from the Clinton campaign is similar to Reagan saying "There you go again". Reagan's response wasn't particularly "mature" either, but it got the point across -- the Clinton camp will say or do anything to win. Responding with humor is a great solution.

Sent by wm | 2:19 PM ET | 03-13-2008

I vote to put Hillary on the show "Moment of Truth" and see how far she would make it.

Sent by Julie | 2:20 PM ET | 03-13-2008

hahahahaaaaaa....nice jokes....goodbyee clinton..

Sent by Shoummo | 2:24 PM ET | 03-13-2008

Ok, we have a cite for Clinton's press release but where's the cite for Team Obama's response?
This really isn't their style (though I like it)!

Sent by Raj Seshadri | 2:34 PM ET | 03-13-2008

It is just ASTOUNDING how BADLY the Clinton campaign has been run lately. Their responses to Big Mo-Bama have SCREAMED desperate, childish, disingenuous. Watch Barack take to the House...

Sent by Eric Beck | 2:38 PM ET | 03-13-2008

I wish his staff would respond in like manner to the comments from Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa). That'd be fun.

Sent by RAS | 2:39 PM ET | 03-13-2008

Awesome!

When did the Clinton campaign jump the shark and become no substance and all increasingly absurd spin?

Sent by James | 2:47 PM ET | 03-13-2008

All I can say is... THANK YOU!!! (after every point in bold it makes you say: "EXACTLY!")

Sent by Lil Seu | 2:58 PM ET | 03-13-2008

OMG this made my day.

I am putting this on my fridge with a big fat red A+!!!!

Sent by Andria in OKC | 3:10 PM ET | 03-13-2008

Too funny. That made my day.

Sent by Mark | 3:16 PM ET | 03-13-2008

Her campaign is getting more absurd every day. Panic has set in, and somehow Obama is on his "downward spiral"? Very sad.
She's done enough damage already...

Sent by distant | 3:18 PM ET | 03-13-2008

What the Democrats loses sight of is that someone like me, an Independent/Libertarian, would choose Obama over McCain, and McCain over Clinton. It will be the old story of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Thanks Clinton.

Sent by Randy | 3:21 PM ET | 03-13-2008

Hillary where is your tax returns?

McCain, where is Vicki Iseman?

Sent by jacob | 3:31 PM ET | 03-13-2008

Ms. Clinton, welcome to the circus of the information age! Try spinning here...! And thank you Team Obama for making my day!

Sent by Nitin | 3:49 PM ET | 03-13-2008

"After setbacks in Ohio and Texas.."

Newsflash: Obama won Texas

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/12/dems.delegates/index.html

Sent by Rado | 4:34 PM ET | 03-13-2008

Ok, I'm a 50+ year old guy, but after reading this, I would say that the Clinton side was just PWNED.

This is hilarious stuff - I have to forward it to my reporter friends at CNN and NYT.

Sent by Bradley | 4:36 PM ET | 03-13-2008

[quote=RB]Perhaps its generational? I think these answers are snotty and trite and don't make any significant meaningful contribution to any debate. Is this really how you want your President to speak?[/quote]

At least it's the truth. Practically everything Clinton said in hers is flagrant lies and deceit which is frighteningly reminiscent of the kind Bush has been spewing for the last 8 years.

You're right, they are snotty and trite to some extent, but I'd much rather have snotty, trite, and HONEST than word-twisting and deceitful. How can she possibly say Obama is losing ground after Texas, where he WON THE ENTIRE STATE? He won Texas.

Frankly, I would welcome someone with open arms into the White House who is doing it for their country, and not for their career.

Sent by Zach | 4:39 PM ET | 03-13-2008

Great counterpunch - HRC's campaign is a joke.

Sent by mike k | 4:39 PM ET | 03-13-2008

(CCD) Clinton a campaign in denial.

Sent by Miike | 4:40 PM ET | 03-13-2008

HRC has lost her marbles! Go Obama!!

Sent by Angzee | 4:43 PM ET | 03-13-2008

John McCain plans on staying in Iraq for up to a hundred years. He also plans to maintain all of George W. Bush's foreign and domestic policies. Know this, Senator Clinton has endorsed John McCain for Commander in Chief, over Senator Obama. That makes Hillary Rodham Clinton a traitor to the party.

Hillary is the new Lieberman.

Sent by Liam | 4:44 PM ET | 03-13-2008

"I vote to put Hillary on the show "Moment of Truth" and see how far she would make it."

She'd clearly win. After lying for 35 years, she's pretty good at it.

Sent by hillaryis44 | 4:45 PM ET | 03-13-2008

It's long past the time where Billary needs to do the right thing and step aside; so we can mop the floor with Chimpy McFlightsuit and his cronies. The reality is Clinton vs McSame is neck and neck(50-50); where Obama vs McShame is not going to be pretty for the repugs (70-30).

Sent by Stormkrow | 4:46 PM ET | 03-13-2008

I was worried abt that earlier email on digg, but, now am very satisfied.
Great to see stuff like this

Sent by dexter | 4:49 PM ET | 03-13-2008

Hmm... so what does she intend to gain by false spin? Oh...wait... is that Bush in Drag???

Sent by WriterWriter | 4:53 PM ET | 03-13-2008

YES! They're harking back to the days of Internet flame-wars! Don't forget Godwin's Law, people.

Sent by James | 4:59 PM ET | 03-13-2008

The Clintons: The Sultans of Spin.

Oh yes, and BTW,
Saying that Hillary has executive leadership experience is like saying that Yoko was a Beatle.

Sent by Jim | 5:01 PM ET | 03-13-2008

For those questioning the authenticity of the memo:

It's from the Obama campaign. The author is actually Bill Burton, who's the communications manager for the Obama campaign.

There are several resources to find this on the web, including www.politico.com. Look for Ben Smith's campaign journal; he posted it as soon as it came out earlier this morning.

Sent by BMR | 5:02 PM ET | 03-13-2008

What is amazing is that Republicans and Conservatives have been doing this about the Clintons for 15 years and we were called idiots, racists, fanatics, etc.

Now that the Clintons are doing this to a liberal, it has become divisive and underhanded. Talk about double standards!

Sent by Chad | 5:02 PM ET | 03-13-2008

Hillary Clinton's campaign subsists largely on cynicism and falsehoods to promote their agenda and create an appearance of strength. Her campaign is disjointed and out of control. I wonder how she will run our whole country if this is how she runs just a campaign. Meanwhile, Barack Obama has managed to stay on message and not stoop to the belittling attacks of race and gender that the Clinton campaign is so fond of.

Sent by Bryan in Illinois | 5:02 PM ET | 03-13-2008

This whole "It's not the quantity, its the quality" routine Her Royal Clintoness keeps spouting is silly. Who do I want as Commander in Chief? How about the one who has the basic math skills to count the enemy accurately?

Sent by bluezombie | 5:05 PM ET | 03-13-2008

This seems fake, it's hard to trust any information being passed around the internet and this e-mail response isn't very convincing. Am I the only won who thinks this is a sham?

Don't get me wrong, I'm still voting for the man but this kind of press seems too casual for a presidential candidate, even if it is from his campaign and not directly from Obama himself.

Sent by obamasupporter_25 | 5:05 PM ET | 03-13-2008

Please help us to encourage Clinton to do the right thing, and then this absurdity: Sign our petition at www.youarehurtingtheparty.org

Sent by Ryan | 5:05 PM ET | 03-13-2008

What happened to sticking with the issues? I see numbers, not issues. If this was written from an Obama aide I think it's bad PR, and another aide should resign.

Let's not lose sight, I'm supporting Obama because of the issues, let's not have this collapse down to a non-sensible dichotomy of us and them that we're so often fallible to. i.e. fanboys who've been at it so long that they only argue for the sake of arguing.

Hope my point gets across.

Sent by Kevin | 5:07 PM ET | 03-13-2008

The way Hillary spins herself as winning is a lot like the way Bush spins himself 'winning' Iraq. No thanks.

Sent by warmaiden | 5:19 PM ET | 03-13-2008

Isn't this the Clinton team has done before though? They would build up super expectations for Obama to win the state (as Mr.C did for Ohio and Texas) and then when Obama really wins more delegates (as in Texas) just fade away as it never happened.

The idea seems to be to put more pressure so that the people think it's now or never battle. I would be ok in Obama and Clinton splitting all the remaining delegates. It's the superdelegates that are going to make a decision now.

Hope they are not drunk, immoral or bought out!

Sent by NoName | 5:20 PM ET | 03-13-2008

I love this, we need more humor in our campaigning.

"The sheer immaturity of a campaign that releases this sort of material astounds me."

Oh, laugh it up. What's immature about combating distortions with facts and a funny bone?

Sent by James | 5:23 PM ET | 03-13-2008

The Internet hates Hillary Clinton.

Sent by Quinn | 5:23 PM ET | 03-13-2008

This reads like two 15 year olds flaming on an Internet forum. Perhaps my standards are too high but I expect better behavior from a group attempting to hold the highest political office in the United States.

Sent by Dallas | 5:25 PM ET | 03-13-2008

The people who think this is immature of the Obama team to release are completely missing the point.

It is the sheer stupidity of the Clinton E-Mail statement which warrants this reply, in this style. And the comments are far more sensible, logical, factual and mature than anything the 'Hillraisers' come out with.

Sent by Mark | 5:31 PM ET | 03-13-2008

this was hilarious; however, it is completely useless to tout such big wins in deep red states like Mississippi and Wyoming. Obama will not win there and neither will Hillary. It is 0 electoral votes won either way, and that is why HRC is making such a point out of the big swing states like Penn and Ohio.

Sent by Johnny | 5:31 PM ET | 03-13-2008

I am voting for (in this order)
1. BARACK OBAMA (integrity, sincerity, unites)
2. John McCain (integrity, somewhat divides, wrong on many issues)
3. Hillary Clinton (selfish, insincere, divisive politics)

It is clearly evident that the Republican's are so scared that their 'war chest' of attack plans for HLC won't be any good because Obama is going to win the nomination and they don't know how they will beat him. Clearly the exit poll data shows that a significant part of Hillary's recent boost has come from Republican's that will not vote for her in November but DESPARATELY want to run against her. Hillary has embraced this bump selfishly - being fully aware she has skeletons in the closet that will get attacked. But she would rather have her long-odds shot at being President than an Obama run that polls show he would win over McCain. Selfish Hillary - this is about your ego and lust for power than about what is best for the country.

I am a white independant and I am voting for Barack Obama now and in November because he is smarter, says what he thinks and not what people want to hear and I trust him far more than any other candidate.

Sent by Mark | 5:31 PM ET | 03-13-2008

"First and foremost I just want to thank all of the people that supported me throughout this campaign, especially you Hill, we couldn't have done it without all of your meltdowns."

Barack

Sent by Andyroo | 5:33 PM ET | 03-13-2008

"Damn,I love me some information age."

-Known Human

Obama08


Sent by Cobweb | 5:39 PM ET | 03-13-2008

I am also an Independent who will vote for Obama if he is the candidate but if not I will be voting for McCain. I'm not particularly fond of McCain so in honesty I will be voting against Clinton.

One thing stands out to me. When questioned about his ability to lead early on Barak said to watch how the campaigns are run. Well, I've been watching and I think the Obama campaign has been masterful. The Clinton campaign on the other hand has been one train wreck after another. Do we really want our country to be run in the ridiculous manner in which Hillary has allowed her "campaign" to be run? Obama believes in getting the best people regardless of race, party affiliation and sex and letting them do good work. It's how he has run his campaign and I am convinced it is how he will run this country. I hope like hell he gets the chance to prove it.

Sent by DDayDawg | 5:42 PM ET | 03-13-2008

Awesome. Greatest thing I've read in a long long time.

I don't Hillary's an idiot, but her campaign certainly is. Reading that article is like watching a bear playfully slap a rabbit around. Sorry Clinton-campaign, this election is too well-covered and it's being followed by too many people to fool us.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to back to "latte-sipping".

Sent by AdamP | 5:43 PM ET | 03-13-2008

HRC's camp deserved everything it got in this reply. To suggest that because HRC won California against Obama, Obama couldn't win it against McCain is just patent bunk. Are all of HRC's supporters just going to stay home? Switch to McCain?

Fight fire with water, fight puffery with snark.

Sent by David | 5:46 PM ET | 03-13-2008

First of all, while most of the HRC letter makes some stupid claims, it is worthwhile to consider WHICH states you are winning. The states that are going to make the difference in the general election are ones whose party line affiliations aren't clear - like Pennsylvania. I'm not saying that I agree with Clinton's letter that Obama is going down, not at all. But, as 'awesome' as the Obama campaign responses are, they are completely juvenile and disappointing. I can just picture whoever wrote this high-fiving his friends after each line (with an "oh-snap" thrown in for good measure). My biggest concern with Obama is whether he's going to be able to pull off what he says he can, and campaign responses that reek of sarcasm don't help assure me that this isn't just a popularity contest.

Sent by Abbey R. | 5:48 PM ET | 03-13-2008

In the beginning, I was uncertain who really was the better candidate. I grew up with the backroom dirty tricks politics of the 50's 60's (70's, 80's. 90's...) and naively hoped for a change this time but alas alack - Mrs. Clinton and her team are showing how "undream-y" they really are ~ reaching for anything to try to skew Obama's lead to their advantage. Shame, shame, shame

Sent by pooleallair | 5:51 PM ET | 03-13-2008

Bill Bradley has just spoken out about the Clinton's habitual "bending" of the facts...I always knew I loved Bill Bradley. As far as the Obama campaign's snarky retorts, hot damn for them, it's about time to strongly reply to that lying sack of.....

Sent by Mark O'Connel | 5:54 PM ET | 03-13-2008

In other words, the Democratic Party, as only it can, has chosen two unelectable candidates in a shoe-in year. Welcome President McCain.

Sent by mmcgloth | 5:58 PM ET | 03-13-2008

The message I am hearing from the HRC campaign is: "Success is failure! Bigotry is equality! To hope is to despair!"

- this comment deserves to be a headline!

Sent by Orwell | 5:58 PM ET | 03-13-2008

Go, Obama, go!!!!!

Well done! Brilliant!

Sent by Kate | 5:59 PM ET | 03-13-2008

it kills me that they said the undecided voter were swaying to clinton.. how do they know when the "undecided" obviously are "undecided"

Sent by Chad S | 6:08 PM ET | 03-13-2008

To those whinging on about how snarky the response was from Team Obama, I say

"Lighten up, Francis."

And keep your eye on the content, not the frills.

Sent by numbskull | 6:10 PM ET | 03-13-2008

If Obama has won and his team truly believes he has the nomination, as they indicate here (and I agree), why is the Obama campaign still focusing on Clinton? Wake up and look right... Fix the freaking country already! You've got the power. Do you know how to use it?

Sent by TJS/California | 6:18 PM ET | 03-13-2008

This message would be very funny coming from a friend as a joke, but I don't want my president or his/her staff to react in such an immature way to something they don't agree with! I am under the age of 35 and I am totally turned off if this is really coming from the Obama campaign. It's like high school!

Sent by Nick | 6:26 PM ET | 03-13-2008

From Kevin's comment: She's done everything short of exclaiming "But, it's not his turn, it's MINE!" and sitting down for a good pout.

Kevin, are you sure she hasn't said that? It sounds so familiar.

Sent by KayTee | 6:29 PM ET | 03-13-2008

Oh deedee, how cute! Citing hillaryclinton.com for facts!

NO THANK YOU

Sent by JJ | 6:30 PM ET | 03-13-2008

Won't the Clintons and Bush's just go away all ready? You've had your day, move on!

Here's a great Obama picture! w00t!

Check this out:

http://www.hostbarracks.com/obama4.php

Awesome!!!

Sent by fire-pixel.com | 6:31 PM ET | 03-13-2008

Yippee!! And the young adults will lead them. Barack called the young people out of the bushes and offered hope. This isn't an old farts game anymore and it's high time. I'm an old fart and we haven't done so well. Honesty is good. Lies are bad. Obviously Barack didn't write these comments, but they're OK by me. We need some young blood!!!!!!!

Sent by karela | 6:36 PM ET | 03-13-2008

God damn, burned.

Hai RI :o

Sent by TheRuler2/Generic | 6:38 PM ET | 03-13-2008

This made my day. Hillary is dishonest, and I wish all of the Hillophiles would hold her to the same impossible standard they try to hold him to. He has to get rid of someone for calling her childish names, but it is fine with HRC if one of her surrogates says his success has nothing to do with being an adept speaker with a great message, instead it's just because he's black. I don't know of any black man in America who said to himself, man I am so happy I'm not white, we blacks get all of the breaks.

Sent by IusedtolikeHRC | 6:45 PM ET | 03-13-2008

I needed a laugh, I have been sad since all the racial garbage started. I hope we are done with it.

Sent by jmn | 6:48 PM ET | 03-13-2008

"I'm off to Burger King." (Jumps shark.)

Sent by Barry Zuckercorn | 6:52 PM ET | 03-13-2008

I don't really see it as snotty. I think the underlying statement is : We are treating this memo as an absurdity because it is simply absurd. Treating it with gravity only adds weight to the spin. "There you go again," indeed.

Sent by Matthew | 6:53 PM ET | 03-13-2008

Republican candidate Hillary Clinton spinning machine at full throttle again! What a bunch of sad losers! Someone should get them a red pill so they can wake up to the reality that she will lose, John McCain will lose and we, the good people of this country would prevail and for once since the last eight years have a REAL president! GO OBAMA!!!! OUR NEXT TRULY ELECTED PRESIDENT!!!!!

Sent by Mark | 6:57 PM ET | 03-13-2008

Team Obama has made the awesome choice to fight back with humor. I hope they keep it up. It is effective and keeps Obama from being spun as angry, which is mui importante.

Sent by Betsy | 6:58 PM ET | 03-13-2008

LMAO! The HRC campaign is self-destructing before America's eyes. As a working woman, SHE EMBARRASSES ME.

Sent by Catherina | 7:00 PM ET | 03-13-2008

These games should be illegal. Who knows what the truth really is? Both parties should be held accountable to their allegations. If they lie about each other then you can bet they will lie to us. We are screwed lol.

Sent by john d | 7:05 PM ET | 03-13-2008

But it's only a flesh wound.

Sent by Ken | 7:06 PM ET | 03-13-2008

To anyone saying this is "immature" or "unprofessional," you must be old. I think we are past the need for overly academic speech and can clearly have casual discourse between candidates without "official" campaign-speak being constantly used.

While I do doubt the validity of the response, the points made are nonetheless true and point out the absurdity in the original Clinton email.

Sent by Seth | 7:09 PM ET | 03-13-2008

that is hilarious. oh politics.

Sent by jimkastkeat | 7:23 PM ET | 03-13-2008

The sheer incompetence of the HRC Campaign suggests that she is not fit for the White House. So much for experience.

Sent by Beerzie Boy | 7:32 PM ET | 03-13-2008

Yawn.

Sent by E. David Zotter | 7:34 PM ET | 03-13-2008

Does anyone else find it odd that Clinton's statement consists ENTIRELY of facts about Obama?!

HA! what a laugh! Talk about empty rhetoric. She can't craft a sentence to save her life that doesn't start and end with "Obama".

Sent by Greg | 7:38 PM ET | 03-13-2008

Too funny. Right on! Come on, we don't know how effective either will be at getting a partisan Congress to pass effective legislation. But none of us want someone who can lie so blatantly, fluidly and frequently when it suits them.

Sent by Undecided Voter | 7:40 PM ET | 03-13-2008

Media like this does not bode well for the Democratic party. Wake up people. The party is currently divided, if we want to be able to come together (no matter the nominee) we need to watch the way we express our words, comments and opinions NOW.

Regardless of my vote, I don't support snotty retorts, humiliation tactics, and finger pointing. (I also don't buy in to this supposed generational difference, I'm 31, and I feel this type of politic rhetoric is counterproductive and unacceptable.)

Sent by sms | 8:10 PM ET | 03-13-2008

Love the sense of humor! I would be inclined to advise the Obama campaign to ignore Clinton as much as possible, but these types of responses to their baseless attacks are brilliant. More, please!

Sent by Guy Fawkes | 8:20 PM ET | 03-13-2008

I figure, facts first, then style. Clinton blew the facts, and Obama didn't, so Obama's style really doesn't matter much to me. Of course, the current administration has a policy of firing people if they get their facts right, and Clinton's not got things that badly wrong.

It's possible to ding Obama on some facts -- being from Illinois, he's a support of corn-to-ethanol, which is pretty damn dubious. Non-mandatory universal health is not really going to work, no matter how good the whole choice-y thing sounds.

On the other hand, Clinton's whole "experienced at natural security" pitch is crap. You don't get grades for coming to class, you get grades for results, and Clinton, and McCain, blew it badly by supporting this war. Obama's on record opposing it from the get-go, and (as I recall) quite nicely enumerated some of the things that could, and did, go wrong.

Sent by David Chase | 8:32 PM ET | 03-13-2008

First Sinbad pwns her on the Macedonian Borders debacle, now this?
Uber-pwnage!!!!!

Sent by Jeremy | 8:35 PM ET | 03-13-2008

Now that the shark jump has been witnessed and the reality of the numbers for those that can count assessed I ask are the Clinton staffer self infecting damage to their future employment potential in a world that can see the difference between yesterday's campaigning and that that wins races going forward. If you will sell your political soul like this what is left.

Sent by Just wonderin........ | 9:12 PM ET | 03-13-2008

HILLarious. Clinton supporters in this blog seemingly do not have a sense of humor. And, you wonder why your candidate is not wildly popular. Creative writing is a sign of intelligence, not immaturity. Think outside the box for once
Obama 08

Sent by Murry | 9:14 PM ET | 03-13-2008

It IS possible for a candidate to "peak too early," especially if the candidate's campaign is mostly fluff, or contains contradictions upon further examination, or just has a fast appeal that soon starts to wear off.

So are watching test of Senator Obama's leadership skills, his appeal based on the issues, his sincerity and determination and, yes, his charisma -- an indefinable quality which every candidate wishes to have, but which only some possess.

Let's support Obama and find out if he can weather this potentially challenging period leading up to the Pennsylvania primary.

There's no point predicting or pontificating about all this. We just have to watch carefully, to see and understand what happens.

Sent by Ralph | 9:14 PM ET | 03-13-2008

Anyone else here reminded of the Iraqi Information Minister? Perhaps he now works on the Clinton campaign...

Sent by joe | 9:19 PM ET | 03-13-2008

I'm disappointed that all those otherwise red states didn't vote like most of the populous states like California, New York and Massachusetts for Hillary Clinton.

She'll make a great president.

Sent by HG | 9:23 PM ET | 03-13-2008

Yes, this is generational. Thank you so much, "boomers", for destroying America's economy during your time in power. I look forward to my generation replacing yours. I only hope we can clean up the disaster you've left behind.

Obama is more popular among my generation (the Gen-Xers) because we are more logical, more intelligent, and far wiser than our parents.

Sent by Eric | 9:36 PM ET | 03-13-2008

Personally, I find it downright offensive that Hillary is still in the race and hoping to pull a fast one on the American nation. If the presidential race comes down to McCain vs. Clinton then we'll know that the country has, once again, completely screwed up.

And frankly, looking at the track record, I'm watching the race and just having my fingers constantly crossed that we could please just not screw it up this time.

Obama is the real deal, and honestly, who cares if a staffer replied to this piece of fiction sarcastically? Obama has never spoken this way and it's never been the tone of his campaign - this is a one-off response to a criminally deceptive comment about the current state of affairs.

Sent by Sebb | 9:55 PM ET | 03-13-2008

Read the press release: "questions have been raised"... by whom?

Lying isn't the only kind of dishonesty. Hillary thinks it's her turn. Maybe Rove and Carville aren't that different.

Immaturity? Bah. Ridiculous things deserve to be ridiculed. Clinton's campaign insults our intelligence putting out this dreck.

Sent by Mark Johnson | 10:32 PM ET | 03-13-2008

Oh Man.. the Clntons sure are transparent in thier politics... sounds like a team desperate to put words into the minds of the weaker thinkers with some poor jedi mind tricks.... Clinton.. your gonna lose trust me.. the time for that kinda of Politics is over my dear... lovely though your cause may be

Sent by Paul in London | 10:37 PM ET | 03-13-2008

Clinton is a house of cards, trying to win on illusion and sleight of hand. She is treating the democratic party like a bunch of rubes at the side show.

Sent by R Keith Gargus | 10:51 PM ET | 03-13-2008

pwn3d.

Someone sent me this link with the title 'Boomer vs Gen X', and that collision of sensibilities is very much on display here: Boomer earnestness vs. Genner sarcasm.

Sent by holgate | 10:54 PM ET | 03-13-2008

The Clinton campaign is good at three things: Mislead, mislead, and mislead. I'm sure they think they can spin their way to the nomination. Wake up, dreamers. It is a game of delegates. Period. No amount of manipulation or negative attacks will do. Too little, too late, guys.But, nice try though.

Sent by BO460 | 11:13 PM ET | 03-13-2008

Looks to me that it's NOT a "generational" issue at all...

It's a perception issue.

I'm 53, male, white, and I LOVE the response, real or not.

It takes the wind completely out of that LAME (Clinton?) missive.

Many folks are SICK of hearing that kind callow political rhetoric, and it's a REFRESHING CHANGE to see someone do it "different", via that "response".

Sent by Mister X | 11:16 PM ET | 03-13-2008

Wow, that was incredibly lame. It reads like a punk editing a nerd's assignment. Granted, HRC's spin on the results is extraordinarly biased but what do you expect? They released their alleged "facts" to the media just like every other politician. Then Obama's spin team swoops in for the sarcastic kill? You're so street, you're relating to Joe Public, it's like shooting fish in a barrel! Especially if you keep the works short and insert lots of "yeahs" and "you guys". I am undecided but it's pathetic to see people lapping this blatant marketing ploy up.

Sent by Marie Johnston | 11:18 PM ET | 03-13-2008

The Clinton campaign will stop at nothing in their drive for power. They clearly aim to appeal to the slice of the electorate who is not following events closely enough to see the whole picture. I'm glad to see that Obama is starting provide context to the HRC half-truths.

The difference in tone between the HRC memo and the BO response is about more than a generational divide.

Hillary's message is angry & demeaning. Obama's response is fun & playful.

It's that fear/hope dichotomy that permeates every aspect of this epic battle.

This particular voter is something of a pessimist. That's why I am so hopeful Obama will retain his lead and, Pensylvania or not, proceed straight to 1600 Street.

I have enough of that fear stuff swimming around in my brain already, thank you.

Sent by DB | 11:31 PM ET | 03-13-2008

Karen Johnson writes: "Don't forget, her running for senator of NY as soon as an there was an opening."

At least Hillary has had two terms as senator. If Barak were honestly intending to be only a senator he wouldn't be jettisoning his senatorship without even fulfilling one term. He has been angling toward the White House the whole time, but he's convinced desperate idealists otherwise.

Barak is no less entitled as any other white professional political member of the American corporate system of government.

Sent by HG | 11:33 PM ET | 03-13-2008

I'm concerned about the people who still manage to take HRC seriously. Her e-mail is like another "Mission Accomplished" moment - it makes me blush and squirm.

HRC, please retire and maybe you'll have an iota of respect from me.

Much love,
Your feminist compatriot,

AH

Sent by AH | 11:42 PM ET | 03-13-2008

Either way I see it, Hillary is the winner. Should she get the Democratic nod, then she "could" win against McCain. If she does not, she will go back to the Senate and get appointed to her new post: Senate Majority Leader - should the dems hold that house. Either way one looks at it, she wants the power. I happen to like the punching of team Obama. Who wants the job more? But why are none of the candidates addressing FISA (how can we grant immunity for Telcos eavesdropping actions not known, or the War on Terror, or how are we gonna pay for Iraq and other spending for the next 10-20 years? And how do we regain respect in the world view? These are just some of my questions.

Sent by Plug | 12:06 AM ET | 03-14-2008

In your face, Clintonistas!


Pa-YOW!!!

Sent by Ranman | 12:24 AM ET | 03-14-2008

I think Hillary and her minions have a great career in fiction/comedy writing.

Either that or just tearing apart their own party limb by limb.

Shameless + Blameless = More of the Sameness.

Sent by Elaine from New York | 12:43 AM ET | 03-14-2008

Go Barack!

Sent by mswhyte | 12:46 AM ET | 03-14-2008

It's been a rough few weeks with more disturbing conduct by the Clinton campaign, more dispiriting conduct that is splitting the country apart.

There has been such a display of selfishness and dishonesty from the Clinton campaign, that I have to say the memo response by the Obama team was a welcomed piece of comic relief.
And quite well written too!

Awesome job, Team Hope.
Way to go, Team "No Drama" OBAMA!
Solid as a rock, Team Barack!

Thanks for giving us some comic relief, Obama Team!

Sent by Hope | 12:51 AM ET | 03-14-2008

It is sad to see how truly hilary clinton is wrapped around her emotions evident by her campaign strategy for winning the nomination. its just an absurd amount of things would have to happen, it is almost laughable.

Sent by havocmaker | 1:03 AM ET | 03-14-2008

Karen Johnson -- most insightful post on the board.

Sent by lorne | 1:04 AM ET | 03-14-2008

Issues! Issues! Issues! Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! This is the Republican Master Plan: watch Dems tear each other apart while forgetting what a real issue even is...

Sent by God Save America... | 1:10 AM ET | 03-14-2008

"Email making the rounds" .... really, NPR? It looks more like something the Wait Wait staff was working on for the headline quiz. I know this is a blog, but I still expect a little more responsible information coming from NPR.

Sent by Veronica | 1:11 AM ET | 03-14-2008

those questioning the style issue -- the main thing at play here is that the Clinton campaign is really trying to accomplish (3) things: a) increase expectations for obama b) pitch the super delegates and c)goad Barack into getting angry and making a mistake.

Obama was trying to figure out how to handle this a few days leading up to March 4th and the time since ... you could see the campaign struggling a bit ... I think they're beginning to find an effective strategy -- facts through humor .. and, unfortunately for Clinton there are some really smart people not affiliated with Obama's campaign that are publicly crunching numbers to demonstrate how a) he can indeed put states in play in the south and b) how Rush Limbaugh saved Hillary's campaign (particularly through Texas) ... Perhaps Mark Penn should start contemplating a blue-light special for his micro targeting fees.

What the Clinton campaign wants is for "No Drama Obama" to lose his cool. They're doing the right thing. They've been playing chess since the beginning .. had Barack not laid out the strategy the way he had, you would have clearly seen Clinton, who built her whole run on a historically effective approach, win the nomination. Obama understood this and understood that his real chance was to not play by the same rules, but to change the game .. by doing that, he's taken a very intelligent, capable, and cynical Clinton team and made them look like they've alternated their approach between checkers and dodge ball.

Sent by lorne | 1:15 AM ET | 03-14-2008

Interesting commentary from the Obama Camp. Lets hear their thoughts on the following articles that point out facts that they don't want people to hear about.

http://www.houstonpress.com/2008-02-28/news/barack-obama-screamed-at-me/

http://www.politicalgateway.com/main/columns/read.html?col=747

Talk about low down and dirty.

Sent by AreWeThatStupid | 1:32 AM ET | 03-14-2008

The Clinton campaign deserve to be mocked and called-out on their ridiculously trite and petty memo. Clearly Team Obama is having way too much fun.

Sent by shakotan | 1:50 AM ET | 03-14-2008

If he can't win the big blues then he shouldn't be our nominee. It's not that we don't appreciate fly-over states, but that ain't going to get it done in Nov. There's a reason the popular vote is neck and neck, despite the Obama campaign and media spin that would like you to think otherwise.

Sent by rj | 1:59 AM ET | 03-14-2008

Excellent way to defuse a ridiculous communication. Had they responded to it in a serious manner they would be allowing her to set the agenda again. By mocking her (and yes, mocking is fair game see Hillary's speech on the sky opening up) they refuse to allow her to drive the bus while giving us a much needed comic break. WTG!

Sent by KS Rose | 2:04 AM ET | 03-14-2008

What is amazing is that Republicans and Conservatives have been doing this about the Clintons for 15 years and we were called idiots, racists, fanatics, etc.

Now that the Clintons are doing this to a liberal, it has become divisive and underhanded. Talk about double standards!

Sent by Chad | 5:02 PM ET | 03-13-2008

Those two things are not mutually exclusive, therefore there is no double standard.

Sent by briand-md | 2:28 AM ET | 03-14-2008

Best bit of one-upmanship I've seen in a long time. I think the Obama campaign could go a long way just ridiculing the Clinton campaign. They're already making fools of themselves. Just keep pointing it out.

Sent by Chris Brown | 3:26 AM ET | 03-14-2008

I love some of the reactions to this--eg. "Is this really what you want your Commander in Chief to sound like?"-as if Obama penned the responses himself, and as if an official press release from the Obama camp would consist of nothing more than remarks in the margins. The Obama campaign is after all the campaign that has been run, managed, and executed like a well-oiled machine, as opposed to the train wreck of solipsism and mismanagement that is the Clinton campaign.

Thanks, but I've just been through eight long years of "I'm right"--and the subsequent manipulations of fear, need, and fact used to further a megalomaniac's case. Even if this were an official retort, I'll take snarky wit and truth over Camp Clinton's strained apologia any day.

Sent by Derek, Chicago IL | 3:39 AM ET | 03-14-2008

I didn't know Television Without Pity's writers freelanced for Obama.

Sent by Shams | 7:51 AM ET | 03-14-2008

I love the way Hillary's team responds to Obama. Check this out!

http://reddit.com/r/politics/info/6bxpp/comments/c03ftkd

All I can say is: HA!

Obama08

Sent by Swilton | 8:08 AM ET | 03-14-2008

I voted for Obama in the caucus, but that doesn't mean I don't have the ability to objectively judge the pathetic attempts of either campaigns. Taking the time to respond "nyah nyah na-na-nyah" to some lame campaign letter is even more pathetic than having to write it in the first place. That's right - it's a group of campaigners saying their campaigny- things to another group of campaigners saying campaign-y things. It's just like listening to EITHER Hillary or Barack get interviewed by MPR (which I did, this morning and yesterday morning). They each just use it as an opportunity to say the things they want to repeat over and over again, and avoid in that adorable politician way, the direct questions they are being asked. Barack has HARDLY won "crushing defeats." If the race were that definitive, then Hillary would've had to bow out by now, and if she hadn't, any optimistic campaign letter would've been too sad to respond to. The truth is, the race is still up in the air. Clinton had a very good point when she said that winning Dems in Wyoming isn't going to get you to the White House. Wyoming and Texas NEVER vote Democrat in a presidential election. Seriously! What are you people thinking? Winning a nomination does NOT equate winning an election against McCain. The person who will win the White House is the person who needs to get the nomination. Obama is my favorite, and if the scales are tipping toward him right now, I truly hope that he can continue to build enough momentum to take the election this November.

Sent by Amanda, Minneapolis | 8:47 AM ET | 03-14-2008

I wont deny that Obama's reply was snarky, but right now, snarky is all Hillary deserves. Mess with the bull, you get the horns.

Sent by Terry | 8:51 AM ET | 03-14-2008

DID ANY OF YOU GUYS ACTUALLY READ SOME OF THE OBAMA TEAMS POINTS? WINNING MISSISSIPPI, SOUTH CAROLINA, AND SOME OF THESE OTHER DEEP RED STATES IS COMPLETELY USELSS BECAUSE NEITHER OBAMA NOR CLINTON WILL WIN THEM IN THE GENERAL ELECTION!!! If the general election was proportional, like the primary, then I agree that Obama would be the big winner, but whether Obama loses to McCain by 7 points in Georgia, or whether Hillary loses to McCain by 25 points there - it is still 0 electoral votes either way. That is Hillary's point. She does better in the states that the Democratic party either needs to keep in the blue column - or those states that can swing either way (like Pennsylvania, Ohio and Florida). Obama racking up wins in the deep south and in the cornbelt are nice, but he is not going to win them in November regardless. I am not anti-Obama, and he may very well be the better candidate, but some of these counterarguments are just plain dumb and naive.

Sent by Jeff | 9:52 AM ET | 03-14-2008

More RoveSpeak from HillaryLand, where she is proclaimed President For Life via unanimous declaration of the electorate, and.....wait a minute.

Reality just kicked the HillBots in the teeth. Just saying a thing doesn't make it turn into reality. 'Magical Thinking' as a campaign strategy is doomed to fail.

Sent by Kevin J. Reidy | 10:29 AM ET | 03-14-2008

Generational? I'm way over 50 and I love the casual and straightforward style here. Clinton teed up the ball and Obama's camp hit it out of the park. About time there was a little fun in this campaign!

Sent by sc | 10:51 AM ET | 03-14-2008

Obama can DIAF for all I care. I hope he loses... I pray he loses.

Sent by No One in Particular | 11:36 AM ET | 03-14-2008

Interesting comments on the maturity of the "Obama" response. Should they really respond to professionally-toned baloney with same? It seems to me the response was appropriate. BS is BS.

Sent by Mark Johnson, Appleton, WI | 11:46 AM ET | 03-14-2008

This feels more like high school drama than an election.

Sent by Neuf | 11:46 AM ET | 03-14-2008

Is there any other arena where Clinton can spin this into a positive for her? "Sure, the Mets had a lousy final 2-weeks in the regular season. But look how they did until then." I don't think so.

Sent by KXB | 12:11 PM ET | 03-14-2008

I think that all of you posting here that think you are making a point when you write that Obama is not winning the "big blue states" need to really look at the numbers in those states from the primaries.

While Obama is not winning them over Clinton, he is certainly getting more votes in ALL those "big blues" than McCain. Isn't that the point? To win the most delegates in the election in November? Both Clinton and Obama are running circles around McCain in the blue states. On top of that, Obama is getting more votes in "red states" than McCain in these primaries. Given that, he has a better chance than Clinton in the general.

I know that more people will come out for the general election on both sides, but I have a hard time believing that any of those big blues will go to a republican. And the republicans may not even win some of the red states against Obama. With Clinton it would be a closer race.

Before you make another ridiculous Clinton-circulated assertion, look at the NUMBERS. They do not lie.

Sent by Jackie | 12:11 PM ET | 03-14-2008

Hillary should give it up already. Obama is enormously popular with Independant and Libertarian voters and this is what's gonna help him win the general election. If Hillary somehow STEALS the nomination, those votes will surely go to McCain.

Sent by Brandi | 12:22 PM ET | 03-14-2008

Desparado Hillary! Why don't you talked about issues?

Sent by Clinton fatigue | 12:36 PM ET | 03-14-2008

@Brandi

I'm the guy you're talking about! 37 White Independent/Libertarian. Will vote for Obama, NEVER for Hillary.

Sent by Mike | 1:23 PM ET | 03-14-2008

To all the Obama supporters:

Ms. Clinton has no reason to quit. 13.4 million people voted for Clinton and she only trails Barak by 100 thousand votes.

I don't appreciate Barak and his supporters presumptuously hijacking my vote and the vote of almost 50% of the democrats who voted for Ms. Clinton.

Remember. Barak will never win with only his 50% of democratic supporters.

Sent by HG | 1:54 PM ET | 03-14-2008

Obama is running circles around McCain in New York, Illinois, and California, as is Hillary. However, McCain actually polls better than Obama in typical Dem strongholds like New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and New Hampshire, as well as major swing states like Florida and Ohio. Hillary has a better chance than Obama in all those states. Obama doing better than Hillary in deep red states is pointless because McCain will win there anyway.

Sent by Johnny | 1:59 PM ET | 03-14-2008

GREAT response - enough of taking the mud being slung by the Clinton "campaign".

Sent by John | 2:01 PM ET | 03-14-2008

To Johnny:

Fine then, if you want to rely on polls (which are of course every bit as reliable as actual voting numbers), let's just give it to Hillary, because she would beat McCain by larger margins, right?

Sent by Jackie | 2:40 PM ET | 03-14-2008

As for the 'setback' in Texas, claiming Clinton won the Texas Two-Step is like claiming the Patriots won the Super Bowl because they were ahead after the first half.

Sent by Tom J | 2:48 PM ET | 03-14-2008

Maybe it's my 36-year-old immaturity talking here, but the solid fisking that the Obama camp gave to that piece of Clintonian puffery strikes me as not so much immature as *competent*.

I was an Edwards supporter, and when he dropped out of the race, I had no firm preferences between Obama and Clinton. Obama was untested and struck me as perhaps too charming; Clinton was not particularly well-tested either, and had utterly failed to achieve health care reform. Clinton was bad on the war; Obama's energy policies left me unimpressed.

But things have changed. Obama's gotten his environmental understanding together, while Clinton and her campaign have become an embarrassment to me as a woman Democrat. The moment she effectively endorsed McCain over Obama was the moment she started looking like Joe Lieberman in pearls. One Lieberman in American politics is plenty.

Sent by Elizabeth | 3:23 PM ET | 03-14-2008

Personally, I'm fed up with politicians that play fast and loose with the facts. Hillary is just more of the same spinning we've been getting for the past 8 years.

I prefer the honest candidate.

Sent by Susan | 4:21 PM ET | 03-14-2008

Why doesn't Hillary just go back to the senate? Following Spitzer's swan dive, the people of New York need her more than the rest of us do.

Sent by Leigh | 4:29 PM ET | 03-14-2008

Can we get the truth out about the "Big States" nonsense. This is a PRMARY election! Does anyone seriously believe that Obama will not win the usual blue states> It's stupid to think he would loose these. he has a 50 state strategy. That will give the Democrats the best chance down ticket.

The supers are not stupid, they will realise that the best bet to get re-elected is to ride the Obama coattails.

I'm afraid that the Clinton memo is pure spin, and dumb spin at that. And as a 60 year old I thought the response was funny and true.

TDF

Sent by Terry Fishlock | 6:33 PM ET | 03-14-2008

For those of you pointing out that many of Obama's wins in the deep south are states he can not hope to win in the general, does that not leave you open to the other obvious point: several of Clinton's big wins were from states that have about zero chance of going republican.

Sent by Matthew | 8:02 PM ET | 03-14-2008

Before someone makes Hillary President they should look at how she has run her campaign. She has spent like a drunken sailor and lied like a $2 hooker on a Saturday night.

No one can find any dirt on Obama, so they say oh he knows so and so and they said this or did this. Good Lord in heaven - most of the Clinton's friends are ex-cons or future cons. Never has a person run for president with more pardoned criminals or federal prisoners on their team!

Remember Bush beat Gore because people were just so sick of the Clinton corruption, secrecy and abuse of power they would vote for the village idiot of Crawford. Oh, and the fact the village idiot had a crooked brother that was the governor of Florida didn't hurt.

The clintons and the bushes are cut form the same cloth. John McCain may be late to the game, but he is a fast learner on the corrupt NEW WORLD ORDER bandwagon.

Obama is the only prayer we have in this race.

Sent by Grant Devereaux | 10:05 PM ET | 03-14-2008

"What is amazing is that Republicans and Conservatives have been doing this about the Clintons for 15 years and we were called idiots, racists, fanatics, etc.

Now that the Clintons are doing this to a liberal, it has become divisive and underhanded. Talk about double standards!"

Chad,

It's crap when Republicans do it and it's crap when Democrats do it, too. It's divisive because they are supposed to be on the same team come November. You, I understand from your comment, are playing for the other team. Get it?

Sent by Clark | 11:19 PM ET | 03-14-2008

From an article on a campaign appearance by Hillary today in Pittsburgh...

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08074/865245-100.stm

"The news conference was closed to the public, but Clinton supporters -- and detractors -- learned about it and crowded the sidewalks outside. Standing in the midafternoon rain, Mrs. Clinton's opponents shouted, "Go home, go home," prompting Mrs. Clinton's supporters to drowned them out with a chant of, "Hill-a-ry."

Other who exercised their freedom of speech included a school bus full of African American youngsters. When the bus stopped for a red light at the nearby intersection, the children leaned out the window with a chant of, "O-bam-a."

Sent by PA Voter for Obama | 12:02 AM ET | 03-15-2008

Typical.

Sent by Charles Johnson | 12:22 AM ET | 03-15-2008

"At least Hillary has had two terms as senator. If Barak were honestly intending to be only a senator he wouldn't be jettisoning his senatorship without even fulfilling one term."

Senator Obama has been an /elected/ official for 11 years - 8 years as a state senator and 3 years as a US Senator. Senator Clinton has only been an /elected/ official for 7 years. You can't compare being an elected official responsible to the people with being given a position of power by your husband. And let's face it - she wouldn't have won her Senate seat if her last name wasn't Clinton & if Guiliani hadn't dropped out of the race last minute. Obama didn't have any political connections, so he made it to where he is today on his own merits.

Sent by Jen | 12:27 AM ET | 03-15-2008

"To all the Obama supporters:

Ms. Clinton has no reason to quit. 13.4 million people voted for Clinton and she only trails Barak by 100 thousand votes."

Incorrect. She's trailing in the popular vote by 600,000+. She's only won 14 out of 44 contests so far. She's trailing by about 150 pledged delegates.

And for all those who say Obama "can't win in red states,"...look at the NUMBERS. In several of the states, Obama alone had more votes than ALL of the Republicans combined. This is why he's a unifier - instead of ignoring "red" states, he's attempting to (& succeeding at) reaching across party lines.

Sent by Jen | 1:05 AM ET | 03-15-2008

Obviously, Obama is being politically 'crucified' by the Judas Media for 40 pieces of silver (ratings, ect). This attempt to 'crucify' Obama came about when it was determined that 'an evenhanded policy' would be implemented in the Middle East..meaning the billigerent nations will have to get their act together. America can no longer be led by the nose by so-called 'allies' who refuse to stop warring, and who are costing the bankrupting of the American economy, the fleeing of foreign nations from using the US dollar (costing us high oil prices), the fleeing of American companies, the stopping of the purposeful dividing of America into 'red' and 'blue' states by the very same media that is dragging Oba through the mud based on comments by his pastor.

One has to ask, how many of these talk-show 'neo-confederates' and 'neo-conmen' have stopped reading the Bible and repudiated the preachers who continue to teach the racist 'curse of Ham' (it was Canaan, the Son of Ham who is also hte father of the East Asian, American Indian, Indo-Negroid, Negrito, Aboriginal, Levant (Sinai to Turkey), Magrebi people.

How about the comments made by haggery and other comments made by false 'conservative' so-called Christians? When listening to comments made by 'fiery' preachers, is it truth, is it rhetoric is it there to remind us. Is a preacher's comment that New Orleans is 'punishment' from God acceptable? Can anyone who boast about free speech use that same 'free speach' said by another person to 'crucify' another who has nothing to do with such statemt. The only thing any person can do when statements are made is to repuiate the statement.

It is evil to 'crucify' and to politically discredit anyone due to racist reasons, then try the trick of using another's speach to justify this racism.

A TAKE ON SNL
http://blackmalepowermovement.forumsland.com/blackmalepowermovement-post-196.html#196

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Sent by Nubianem | 1:45 AM ET | 03-15-2008

I am continually appalled at the vitriol and contempt spewed by you Obama supporters. You do not begin to see the hypocrisy we see in you who support the "new" kind of politics of unity, non-divisive acceptance, respect for differences, etc...it does not reflect well on you or Obama..your level of hate. You do not begin to understand how that has contributed to this great divide and somehow you seem to think that you can win this race without the other half of the party that supports someone else. I know it's pleasureable to indulge in this kind of hate fest, but consider the consequences.

Sent by Barbara | 2:22 AM ET | 03-15-2008

Barbara,

I do not see the "hate fest" coming from the Obama camp. The only things I see coming from his camp are the facts and, with this, a little bit of snark. Obama has been incredibly respectful of the American people, the intelligence of the American people, and the other candidates during this race. Is he being divisive in your eyes because he won't just roll over and give it Clinton, because it is hers to take and she deserves it after all this time?

From the Clinton camp, I see:
1) crying when it helps
2) race-baiting in an attempt to win the anti-black vote
3) "to the best of my knowledge, he is not a Muslim" nice, Clinton
4) Double-speak "he is not ready to lead but he is ready to be a heartbeat away from leading" What???
5) suggestions that the PLEDGED delegates "can change their mind", thereby subverting the will of the people

I guess none of that is divisive?
Are you just giving us "opposite speak" because your candidate of choice is losing even though she is clearly willing to stoop to the lowest levels to win?

Can you please provide examples of Obama being divisive?

Sent by Jackie | 2:25 PM ET | 03-15-2008

Johnny wrote: "However, McCain actually polls better than Obama in typical Dem strongholds like New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and New Hampshire... Hillary has a better chance than Obama in all those states"

That's totally FALSE. The latest polls (Rasmussen, Strategic Vision) put Obama slightly STRONGER than Hillary against McCain in Pennsylvania. Same for New Hampshire. Not sure about NJ but it's probably pretty close.

Clinton supporters continue to swallow the Clinton campaign's FAULTY logic from their memo about States that "don't matter", forgetting that this is a PRIMARY race where voters ALL ACROSS the country get to CHOOSE who they want their CANDIDATE to be.

If the Clintonistas had their way, maybe next time the Democratic Party can eliminate all the other states from the primary process and just have their candidate chosen by NY, CA, TX, OH, and FL. That would be really "democratic".

Everyone knows that the GENERAL election will come down to the swing states. And so far there are some that Clinton has won (OH, FL, PA, NV) and some that Obama has won (MO, WI, CO, VA, IA, MN, and probably MI if there's a revote). That's a FACT that both sides will need to deal with.

Sent by shakotan | 4:11 PM ET | 03-15-2008

"And so far there are some that Clinton has won (OH, FL, PA, NV)"

Oops, I should have said "has won or will probably win" i.e. in PA.

Also, in most of Clinton's wins (including the above) she's RARELY managed to get more than 50-55% of the vote, thanks to her strong negatives. Contrast this with Obama who has won with CRUSHING margins in most of his wins.

Sent by shakotan | 4:18 PM ET | 03-15-2008

Jackie..you totally missed my point... I did NOT say that Obama is divisive..I said that many supporters of Obama are divisive and do not reflect well on Obama's message of unity, and respect for differences.

Sent by Barbara Gutkin | 8:52 PM ET | 03-15-2008

Twenty years ago, this would have been a "snarky" comment. However, this is the 21st century that Bill Clinton led us to. If one says "this isn't what I want from my President" to Barack Obama, then how can they justify the support for Hillary for having her campaign race bait, leak photos to Drudge to try to appeal to our racist tendencies, and send out lying and distortion emails?

Oh sure, those people "weren't Hillary" and they "resigned" except that Hillary also says she controls her campaign and nothing happens without her approval.

We fought this kind of thing when the GOP and GW did this to Democrats like Bill Clinton, Al Gore, and John Kerry, so how in the world can we support it in Hillary Clinton? Are some older Democrats selling their souls and ethics in the name of holding on to one last harrah for the Baby Boomers? Was Bill Clinton's Town Called Hope really Hillary's False Hopes? Was Bill Clinton's bridge to the 21st century really Hillary's desire to restore the 1990s?

It seems some have gotten lost on that bridge and in that town because it is Barack Obama that sounds more like Bill Clinton than Hillary who sounds more like George Bush (41).

Sent by Tony K | 10:00 PM ET | 03-15-2008

Barbara, fair enough. I did misunderstand you and you clarified your point well.

Sent by Jackie | 11:24 PM ET | 03-15-2008

Barbara: The same can be said of many of Clinton's supporters. Just because Obama talks about unity doesn't mean that all his supporters think exactly the same way. People aren't clones, and not everyone is as polite and respectful as you are. You accuse others here of "spewing contempt" and indulging in a "hate fest", and I see little to no evidence of that at all. Thanks.

Sent by shakotan | 12:35 PM ET | 03-16-2008

You can tell the Obama campaign was run by younger adults. All that talking. What so funny is even if he won the rest of everything he still wouldn't have enough either

Sent by mgck59 | 4:09 PM ET | 03-16-2008

I wonder if HRC has been asked about this memo they put out. What does she say? I mean if she says something like "This doesn't make any sence." then we are in the clear, but if she says something like "Of Course. These are the facts. I personally helped write this memo." then we know that shes just plain nuts and we can lock her away in time to get on with our campaign to the White House. I mean how could a sane person agree with this?? GO DEMOCRATS!

Sent by Glenaypia | 3:20 AM ET | 03-17-2008

Sounds like the Clinton campaign is getting desperate. This just shows how Clinton politics will slant the truth if she ever got in the White House. I just don't trust what the Clintons say anymore.

Sent by Dkap | 10:04 AM ET | 03-17-2008

I am voting for Hillary because quite frankly, I think she'd be the better President in office. And Obama has not said or done anything to change my mind.

Sent by Chad | 12:33 PM ET | 03-18-2008

I'm already burned out on the whole primary thing. The only "change" we are going to see in the Whitehouse is the name of the president. Not much else really changes.

Sent by dlm | 1:13 PM ET | 03-18-2008

OmG that is the best thing I've seen from this election in MONTHS! Thank you, Obama, for giving me hope in politicians again - and Hillary, shame on you for turning GOP on us

Sent by Stephanie | 2:41 PM ET | 03-18-2008

Hillary Clinton and her campaign show more parallels to Bush everyday. Can she get by one day without a lie, deception, twisted logic, or a distortion of the truth? She cannot even be honest about her experience! all her examples thus far have proven to be lies and distortions. America does not need another liar occupying the office of the President of the United States, we've had over 7 years of lies that have nearly detroyed America and our international reputation! No More Lies! No To Hillary Clinton!
In addition, during her campaign she has demonstrated zero leadership ability, zero ability to be diplomatic, zero ability to unify anything or anybody, and zero ability to be honest. Why would anybody even consider voting for someone like that?

Sent by Beca B | 7:27 AM ET | 03-19-2008

AMERICANS ARE FEELING IT AT THE GAS PUMPS AND THE SITUATION ONLY SEEMS TO BE GETTING WORSE. AND IT WILL! WITHIN THE COMING MONTHS, ESPECIALL IF EITHER SENATOR MCCAIN OR SENATOR CLINTON WINS THE ELECTION,EXPECT TO PAY UPWARDS OF $5 AT THE PUMP FOR A GALLON OF GAS. SO HOW CAN WE PREVENT THIS ONSLAUGHT OF RISING FUEL PRICES? SIMPLE- VOTE FOR OBAMA!

Sent by KAREN | 1:58 PM ET | 03-20-2008

This is the answer Ms. Clinton gave to NPR in New Hampshire about the early primaries in Michigan and Florida - they won't count, she said:


NHPR's Laura Knoy: "So, if you value the DNC calendar, why not just pull out of Michigan? Why not just say, Hey Michigan, I'm off the ballot"

Hillary Clinton: "Well, you know, It's clear, this election they're having is not going to count for anything"

Here's a link to the short (edited) byte with the interviewer's question and the response:

http://www.jabberwonk.com/flinker.cfm?cliid=zydzt

Here's a link to the unedited longer byte with her full answer:

http://www.jabberwonk.com/flinker.cfm?cliid=u01y4

Here's the link to the full original NHPR interview on 10/10/07 :

http://www.nhpr.org/node/13858

Sent by Stephen | 4:35 PM ET | 03-20-2008

In the last few weeks, questions have arisen about Obama's readiness to be president.

[Actually, they haven't so much "arisen" as they've been manufactured and heaved forward by the Clinton campaign. And what's really kooky is that we actually expect LESS of this from our Republican challenger in the general.]

Sent by Brian | 8:19 PM ET | 03-21-2008

It's good to go down fighting but it's bad to do same in a distructive way.I'm sure that Obama his pastor and most of its members if not all would have voted for Bill Clinton and there was n