Final totals from California are now Clinton with 204 delegates and Obama with 166............

I suppose you could say that California is indicitive of this concept that this Obama guy has a headlock on the so-called youth vote.

And it's time to talk about that so-called youth vote that some seem to think that everyone under the age of thirty votes the exact same.

Yesterday the pump man was out here replacing my burnt out water pump. His two sons are in Iraq as we speak. His one son was there when a couple of his comrades were killed a couple of days ago.

They are in their early twenties. Both have already re-upped from their first enlistment. Both have been to Iraq at least twice, one is on his third tour in Iraq.

The pump guy said to me, "My sons wouldn't vote for that Barack guy if you could take him out of a Somali warlord's outfit and put him in General Eisenhower's uniform."

So, as for the youth vote and people who think that the youth will all vote en masse for that Obama guy, remember this: There's the twenty year old soldier who is locking and loading and going after the terrorists who killed three thousand people in New York, and who killed his buddy in Iraq.

Then there are the Liberal Utopian youth who are still living at home, going to college on mommy and daddy's dime, and who never knew the concept of having to fight for something. Cause everything was handed to them.

No. Youth don't all vote the same way.

There's a lot of youth who are very upset about the message of Bringing Down America that the Barack guy delivers with such candor....and Chicago Amnesia.

And another word about Florida. Back on January 29th, I was amazed how many voters in Florida were, well, rather unknowing to what this Obama guy stands for.

Not even two months later and the change is like 180 degrees. And I'm proud that I've done my part educating Floridians to the dangers that are inherent in that BHO guy who is going against HRC.

Now everyone is getting to know the difference between BHO and HRC.

America is waking up, and the youth of California, and America, are not some punch out mold models.

fred camorra call

Sent by fred camorra call | 10:26 AM ET | 03-17-2008

Well, it's finally happened. For the last two decades, the Republican party has been doing everything they can to eliminate our republic, and now the Democrats are doing all they can do make sure that democracy has no place in their party.

I love hearing that Barack is gaining. It gives me pleasure to no end, but the Democratic party has done nothing but lose elections that Bill the Cat could have won, so I am not going to breath again until somewhere closer to January.

And to the above poster, Mr. Call; I haven't ever served my country, though I do love it. I've never killed for justice, though my freedom is a blessing. I haven't watched my brothers dying, but I did cry on September 11th. As part of the youth vote I am astounded that you can have such a narrow view of the people who are slated to take this country over.

There are lots of 'adults' in this country who've never had to work. There are plenty of adults who oppose the war, there are plenty of adults voting democratic. Does that make their vote count any less than yours? No.

Sent by Alex Szeliga | 11:34 AM ET | 03-17-2008

Sent by Alex Szeliga: And to the above poster, Mr. Call; I haven't ever served my country, though I do love it. I've never killed for justice, though my freedom is a blessing.

And I'm more than happy to say that I did all that for you, and your family and friends.

And that the pump guy's two sons are currently doing the job for you, and your family.

We're a bit distressed that in return you'd be backing a guy who lives by a code that tries to dimidiate everything we who have served have ever done.

We try to be understanding. We know that you don't have the experience. And we know that because you don't have the experience, you are more prone to backing someone who has no experience.

We understand that you don't have a full enough grasp on what experience means.

All the same, we can't stand around scratching our behinds while the inexperienced want to put Barack Obama near our nuclear arsenal.

Cause as inexperienced as Barack Obama is at being an American lover, Barack Obama obviously has some sort of experience. Looks like it's the kind of experience that isn't good for America's well being.

As for waiting for January, well, the ball is just getting rolling on the truth about Barack Obama.

Up until now, Barack Obama has had a pass. Which explains how Barack Obama got so much publicity. Americans did not know who Barack Obama really was, or what Barack Obama really stands for.

And, if anyone questioned Barack Obama, Barack Obama said nothing while his advisors called everyone a racist.

That's not working anymore in Barack Obama's favor. The news is spreading like wildfire throughout America.

If Barack Obama really cares about the Democratic Party, he needs to step out now.

I'm a lifelong liberal Democrat, Vietnam Vet who protested Vietnam both in and out of uniform. But I never, ever, ever in my life denounced America. I never, ever, ever in my life protested Vietnam in a way that would endanger the lives of my comrades in Vietnam.

It's all about experience, Alex.

In ways, I'm glad that we did the job for you and you didn't have to go through the realities.

In other ways, I'm sad for you that you don't see reality, cause you've never been there.

Anyway, the message goes out to my fellow Americans. We got plenty of time until January to pull our ranks together.

First job, get Hillary to stop that Barack guy.

Then let's see what Hillary does against McCain.

You want to see scores and scores of us Democrats vote Republican, make that Barack guy the Democratic Party nominee. That's not a threat. That's a promise.

No problem. The ball's just beginning to roll.

fred camorra call

PS....Since my sojourn to Florida and North Carolina, I spent a couple of weeks fighting the flu. My energy level has been down.

But...I'M BACK......pumping iron, running. I'm just getting re-started taking names and kicking butt.

You ain't seen nothing yet.

Sent by fred camorra call | 12:13 PM ET | 03-17-2008

Why is everyone so mean-spirited, angy, and sure they know which character trait makes the best President? We have 3 contenders who all have what it takes to be President of our country. Experienced people like Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld didn't do such a great job and neither did the totally inexperienced President Bush. So I'm not personally convinced that experience has anything to do with success. Obama has as much or more experience than those who have led the country over the last 16 years and I don't think Hillary is much more experienced than Obama. I am looking for leadership that takes cynicism and anger out of the political equation. I am looking for a leader who will be President of all the people, not just the people who elect him or her. I am looking for a President who will restore our position of honor in the world and take care of business at home. I'm looking for a candidate who can win the election based on their principles, ideas, and ideology alone, without having to tear down other people's reputations in whatever way they can or practice deceit. Based on the campaign to date, I believe Barack Obama can do all that.

Sent by Carolyn Boyce | 1:04 PM ET | 03-17-2008

Wow, Since the beginning of the US Elections, there has been a grass roots effort, rooted in blind faith and racism that has attempted to spread the evils of a truly visionary candidate for US president. The email I am referring to have been virally forwarded to hundreds of thousands of people.

Worse yet, the email has chipped away at the scant grey matter of the readers, resulting in many of them believing the filth spewed by fear mongers - who thump the bible while "Bearing false witness" to Barak. The Email focuses on allegations, (Proven False), that he is a Muslim, that he does not pray in church, that he does not wear a lapel pin with the flag on his coat, that he studied at a Muslim religious school.

Not ignoring that this is completely offensive to Muslim citizens of the US... It is almost as if Karl Rove got together with propagandist of the third Reich to spew such filth. It's surprising for those presenting themselves as vanguards of the church have not insisted that the regular bible thumping candidates, not ask for greater separation of church and state or greater protection of altar boys from predatory priests. I presume that lies in the domain of "This is part of God's divine plan".

I have provided links at the bottom of my response to this email that shows how pervasive this myth has become about Obama and how hollow the claims are, more importantly it shows how easily SOME Sheep-ple (Sheep + People = Sheeple) are led to believe anything! As for the Clinton campaign, it seems obvious that they have done nothing to differentiate themselves from such fear mongers --- I can expect no different, especially in the way they have chosen to run their campaign more recently.

Speaking of more recently, You all heard of the racist tirade from a once progressive visionary, Ms. Geraldine Ferraro. She claimed that if it weren't for Obama's race he wouldn't be where he was. So now that the religion smear is finished, the campaign has started a race smear campaign! How refreshing! Well, this isn't the first time Geraldine has been associated with comments that are not characteristic of her stellar intellect! She's previously shaded Jesse Jackson with the same line, it's funny, I guess many weren't clued in then, just as they aren't clued in now - Clinton's hoping that fear will trump. Obama's banking that Hope will lift the country.

It's interesting, we're in a very crucial election, one that will determine the future for us, our children and generations to come. Although, every election in the US touts to be as pivotal, this election is even more linked to the fate of the world - - As they say when the US sneezes, the world catches the flu! We have the first viable woman and first viable black candidate running for the highest post in the civilized world. By most accounts we have a woman that will presumably resort to almost anything to claw her way to the white house, and we have an inspirational Kennedy-esque black candidate who pledges to reach across the globe and rebuild America as the beacon for free thinking and progressiveness.

We have one candidate who's capitalizing on the saboteur maneuverings of conservatism's greatest demagogue - Rush Limbaugh, who is campaigning Republicans to vote for Clinton, since she will be so much easier to defeat int he Generals. Bill Clinton even went on the Limbaugh show on the day of the Texas primaries to encourage republicans to vote for Hillary -- that's the extent of their determination to get back into the white house, even at the cost of constituents, party and country.

Yes, Obama has flaws, but closely watch the manner in which he has conducted himself and you will see a true statesman.

HERE'S AN IDEA! Let's just have McCain win. I don't think such a visionary like Obama should be left to clean up the mess that Republicans made of the states, the economy, the country, the middle east and the world. Since it's fast becoming obvious that a large portion of the country think the republicans are doing a truly bang up job for everyone! The republicans have done wonders with everyone's sense of proportion and common sense; why not let them complete what they started! Yes, lets have 8 more Republican blissful years. Civil liberties have always been over rated!

Cheers!

Debunking the Myth on 60 Minutes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYspjJCjgX8&feature=related

Keith Olbermann on Clinton and her tactics
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22425001/vp/23601329#23601329

Snopes thoroughly debunking this email smear campaign
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp

Sent by Neil S | 1:06 PM ET | 03-17-2008

I find it disapointing that people think we are in Iraq fighting the terrorists that were responcible for 911. 1st off they are and were in Afaganistan not in Iraq until we invaded Iraq and gave them a place to set up camp. Barack represnts a new way to cleanse the sick moral direction this country is headed as well as a ne way to learn to mend fences with our neighbors and other nations abroad. We are heading in the same direction as the Roman Empire did and will untilmately fall unless we forge a new and better direction for America. - One that Barack has a vision and plan for. He will win in Nov. - I have no doubt.

Sent by Joe Strummer | 1:13 PM ET | 03-17-2008

Experience has been greatly overrated and exaggerated in this election. As the above commenter noted -- our more "experienced" politicians haven't been doing that great of a job. Our foreign policy, our fiscal policy, our government as a whole is greatly broken. When something is broken, you don't keep doing the same thing over and over, you change your routine -- you try something different. That's the appeal of Obama.

We've not had a truly inspirational president since Kennedy. Not a single one in my lifetime. Reagan may have won the cold war, but the extension of his economic policy has proven disastrous. HW Bush didn't finish the job in Iraq the first time, Clinton fixed the economic policy for awhile, but was too mired in personal issues to be truly great... And GW Bush.... well... we all know.

What we've been doing on so many fronts has not been working. We need someone with a completely fresh take on things, and we need someone who can speak passionately and re-energize this country.

What my generation remembers about Kennedy, more than PT109, more than the Cuban Missle Crisis, are his words. "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country," and "We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard." These words inspired a nation to become great. Many of his ideas were hard for some to swallow, but that's part of what made them great.

We need a president that thinks differently than what we've had for the last 30 years. We need a president who can inspire social change, and a renewed love of what this country should stand for. We need a president who can show the world that we're moving on. We've been living in 911 for the past 6?? years, and its time to move on and correct our knee-jerk reactions, and restore the things about this country that make me proud to have been born in the greatest nation on earth. The only candidate on the ballot this time around who is capable of all of these things is Barack Obama.

Sent by Josh T | 1:43 PM ET | 03-17-2008

Thanks Josh,
Talking about doing the same things over and over. Just imagine The Republican administration is trying to use variables based on a mainly manufacturing economy. Which worked well to get us out of a recession when America was mainly a manufacturing economy.
They are using the same variables for a mainly service based economy, no wonder they suggested going to ask the banks to reduce their principals on debts loaned out as mortgages (Give me a break).

Sent by concern | 2:13 PM ET | 03-17-2008

If you think Hillary is experienced you've only been fooled. Neither candidate possesses extraordinary experience. Which this also brings into question why people are bringing up the entire experience issue. If you haven't been keeping up on history, Obama has a lot more experience than quite a few presidents before him(and some of them ended up being pretty good ones at that), and quite a few presidents with a lot of experience really fared quite poorly(ahem, so, I suppose that you wish Bush a 3rd term if possible?). When it comes to experience, quite frankly, it has had absolutely no correlation in the past. Rather, it seems as though you're parroting the HRC campaign, because if you were fully aware of the "experience" Hillary claims to have, it is practically trivial, and laughable to be basing a campaign off of it. The difference between McCain and Hillary is exponentially greater than that of Hillary to Obama. As for what you mean by Obama living by a code which tries to, "dimidiate everything we who have served have ever done," I don't know what that code is, and what the comment necessarily means. Are you saying he doesn't appreciate your service? Or the values you once fought for? I would need clarification.

As far as I'm concerned, it sounds like you've been bought by her campaign. Not to say that she's not a qualified leader, but your faith in experience is out of touch with so called "reality," you say exists. Which makes me wonder why you question somebody else's views on it.

All candidates, btw, have gotten passes on a lot of issues(maybe a jailable offense here and there). A good example against the claim of not knowing Obama, when you say we don't know who Obama is, is the reminder that Hillary is the one who won't release her tax info(which may be as trivial as the experience issue, but since we're parroting the campaigns I'll throw it in). I'll vote for whomever wins the nomination, but when it comes to reality, I like to make sure that I know more about their policies than their political games.

Basically every argument you provided, has been said before by the campaigns or the media.

And when you say "no problem. The ball's just beginning to roll," remember, Hillary at this point in time, has a very slim chance of winning this election unless she gets absolute landslide victories from now on, or convinces delegates to switch. For a campaign that ridicules the lofty hopefulness of Barrack, it sure does seem like it's naive only when he does it.

And by referring to Barrack as "that Barrack guy," it makes it sound like you've made no effort to actually know anything about him, as if you don't care to. I would want to know my candidates. If you go out and vote McCain because you don't like Barrack, but you don't seem like you've taken time to understand where they stand, you're just as naive as any of the "kids" out there.

And why are Hillary supporters making this, "promise?" You honestly think Obama is worse than McCain? Umm, I'm pretty sure it wasn't that way before, so what about Obama has changed? Nothing but the attacks the campaigns have launched... unless you just recently got the whole Rezno issue. But otherwise, his policies haven't changed, but your feelings for him have? That really shows that Obama might as well just be all rhetoric, because his policies wouldn't matter anyway. So the reality of this is, you sound no more mature than the "kid" you so condescendingly enlightened.

Sent by dr s | 2:17 PM ET | 03-17-2008

Fred Cammora Call: "First job, get Hillary to stop that Barack guy."

If you're voice wasn't so condescending, I might have paied attention to what you had to say. Coming from a youth who never served but payed for his own education and didn't "go to school on mommy and daddy's dime" I think any point you attempt to make is clouded by your insulting banter.

You promise that Democrats will vote Republican, but it has nothing to do with Barrack at this point. If they give the nomination to Hillary the democratic party will be crucified for eternity for undercutting the first black man to win a majority of delegates. Whether or not you like it, the party is being torn apart and McCain is playing fox, waiting to jump out once everyone is fed up.

I'm educated; I see your ignorant rantings and just remember this, when you see mcCain in the white house, I want you to think back to this post and remember I told you so.

P.S. What are he chances, statistically that the best candidates in the last 20 years were Father/son and now husband wife? I would vote for anyone other than Billary just on principle.

Sent by An educated youth | 2:28 PM ET | 03-17-2008

fred camorra call:

Liberal utopian youth. Good one.
I have another one for you:
Military enlistees = glorified welfare cases

Go get a real job and make it without having the government pay for your school. Just because the gas pump guy couldn't make enough money to pay for his kids' education doesn't mean he is more of an American than those whose parents busted their ass to give their kids a better chance. Sorry they joined up in peace time and got sent to war but I'm sure there was some sort of small print somewhere saying they might have to fight for oil on the other side of the world. Don't try to blame us Amercans who choose to support our country by bolstering it's economy instead of blaming the real con artists who invaded Iraq for oil.
signed,
Another small business owner whose taxes pay for your stinking, thieving, murderous military voting for Obama

Sent by scott smith | 2:33 PM ET | 03-17-2008

Part of GOP's goal for this election year is to cast Obama under an unpatriotic light.
But, like the swift boat veterans, this smear campaign is founded on false facts.

I wouldn't be surprised if the posters above, like Mr. Call, work for (if not closely with) this campaign.

Don't be fooled. Do your research, and know your facts, and don't be fooled by this spin.

Sent by C. F. | 2:40 PM ET | 03-17-2008

Would they please just get on to the real deal all ready?

Well at least it gives me a reason to show you the Obama pictures if you didn't all ready...

Here-

WWBOD?

http://www.hostbarracks.com/obama4.php

(Obama picture - sfw)

Sent by fire-pixel.com | 3:45 PM ET | 03-17-2008

Fred Camorra Call said:
> We're a bit distressed that in return
> you'd be backing a guy who lives by a
> code that tries to dimidiate everything
> we who have served have ever done.

You are confusing opposition to the War with opposing the troops fighting there.

There is no evidence that Obama is against the soldiers. Can you show some if you have any?

Sent by Prakash | 4:34 PM ET | 03-17-2008

Sent by Alex; sent by Fred
Alex, as a Vietnam War combat veteran, I would never, ever want to wish a war experience on anyone. There are so many other ways to get a "full" life experience than by participating in or witnessing humanities lowest form of degradation. When it comes to war, better judgment trumps experience. Look at Eisenhower whose famous words "only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can mesh the military industrial complex with our peaceful methods and goals." That's from someone who had all the weight of not only fighting true tyranny but also the lives and well being of hundreds of thousands of soldiers. Then look at Bush and Cheney, one having served with a "champagne" unit of the air guard and the other with five deferments to fall back into. I can only wonder why we don't mention these facts when faced by an angry gas pump guy or others with similar misconceptions. We should stop using the troops as our flag bearers in our political positions, the issue is the policy that led us into Iraq and how the war has been managed. Just look at the mess at VA/Walter Reed and the horror stories about vets who are discharged so that they do not qualify for medical benefits. McCain and Cheney today are in Iraq, tomorrow we will hear about the great progress we're making. I hear an alarm going off and its ringing "Obama for President!"

Sent by Roger | 5:00 PM ET | 03-17-2008

One thing people need to remember about republicans is that they LIE LIE LIE. And Hilary is a republican. Obama deserves to lead. All my fellow caucasians have failed miserably as presidents so maybe Obama can do better. Surely he won't be any worse. And the very least we can expect is an articulate speaker who doesn't come across as some evil spoiled redneck hick like Bush.

Sent by toto | 5:16 PM ET | 03-17-2008

Prakash, scott smith -- "fred camorra call" is the nom de plume of NPR.org's resident troll. After you read a handful of his 200+/- posts in the past three months you'll find that that he desperately wants to draw your ire by adding heat, rather than light to the discussions. Sadly, the best way to counter his logical fallacies is to ignore him.

http://www.google.com/search?as_epq=fred+camorra+call&as_sitesearch=npr.org

Sent by sean t. | 5:20 PM ET | 03-17-2008

Sent by Roger: When it comes to war, better judgment trumps experience.....I hear an alarm going off and its ringing "Obama for President!"

Roger, did you see the movie 'Braveheart?'

You know, how the one side turned around and lifted their kilts to the English, showing them their backsides? What is called in America the 'Mooning' experience?

Anyway, getting to the point: I have a dream that one day your side and my side can meet on a big open battlefield. We'd go at it the old fashioned way. We wouldn't even have to use sharpened broadswords. We could just use clubs and heavy sticks.

When the dust settles, whoever is left standing, that's the way it goes in America. And I have this dream cause I know that your side doesn't stand a chance.

In fact, I'm willing to wager that your side wouldn't even show up on the day of the big wooden stick tourney. You guys'd want to fight with Kleenix tissue paper.

Roger, that alarm you are hearing is ringing in your ears from someone beating you on your helmet with a warclub. From behind. While you are running away from even a toilet tissue fight.

Now, as for the part about better judgement and war and all that you are trying to philosophize me with, please, next you will be trying to tell me how to keep my girlfriend happy.

Stop! Before you make too big a fool of yourself. You've never been to war. You don't know squat about it.

Just get all your Liberal Utopian friends with their Michael Moore Hugging Barack Obama T-shirts on, put on a jousting helmet, and come'on out to the big open field and we'll show you the philosophy of war.

Meanwhile, to all you Liberal Utopians crying about the economy.....if you hadn't been giving al-Qaeda all that support you've been giving them, maybe our troops could hav gotten through this mess a bit faster.

But you keep reminding al-Qaeda that you are on their side, and that you are going to do everything you can do to thwart the efforts of our American troops.

So, for St. Patrick's Day, even though it's a Scottish Rite of Passage, and I ain't even Irish or Scottish....allow me to lift my kilt and Moon you Liberal Utopians.

fred camorra call

Sent by fred camorra call | 6:13 PM ET | 03-17-2008

Yeah right, we are over there fighting the ones responsible for 9-11? I did not know they were from Iraq. I have two son's in the military, so I do have a little idea of what's going on.

Sent by hedjhog | 6:16 PM ET | 03-17-2008

Sent by Prakash: There is no evidence that Obama is against the soldiers. Can you show some if you have any?

You want proof, Prakash?

Here's your proof: Just ask two out of three red-blooded Americans to explain why they mistrust that Obama guy.

There's your proof.

The BHO guy had his pass early on. He had his run when nobody was looking close. Now, two out of three red blooded Americans are looking close.

And they ain't voting the Obama guy.

And I helped more than a few open their eyes to the truth about the BHO guy.

And I'm going to be opening a lot more eyes between now and November.

You can't eat your pudding until you've finished your meat.

fred camorra call

Sent by fred camorra call | 6:23 PM ET | 03-17-2008

Well, if you actually took the time to ask 3 of 3 red blooded Americans, you'd find Obama is still more popular than either Clinton or McCain. Your twisted logic is, well, yours alone. 2 of 3 will not vote for McCain, and 2 of 3 will not vote for Hillary. 2 of 3 will not vote for Obama, so you've essentially given a red herring, because no president has won with 2/3 of the whole American population voting for him, so the logic that 2/3 don't like him enough to vote for him is nonsense because that goes for all candidates. You shouldn't be worried about if Obama has 2/3 against him, because if 1/3 is and there are 4 presidential candidates still out there fighting, he already has better odds...

If you ask any red blooded soldier whom he put his money behind, most would say Obama. He received the most military donations (next to Ron Paul), and quite frankly there are also military leaders who endorse him.
Making up facts simply won't work fred, especially when you can Google them. Remember you are posting online, you could at least take 10 seconds to check into things. There's a difference between an ignorant person, and a person who chooses to be ignorant. You are one who has CHOSEN ignorance, even with the tools at your fingertips to correct yourself. People like you are the exact reason America is no longer as great as it once was. How easy is it to find that Obama isn't a muslim? How many people have the internet? How many people check? Exactly. See the problem? They need to be spoon fed the facts, and some people actually think the campaigns are being honest.

You're not opening eyes to anything new fred, you're just opening them to the usual level of politics that this tech-savvy crowd can call out as bogus within seconds. I would suggest you take a few seconds to do some research before you just throw random claims out there. I swear, making stuff up and parroting campaigns does not work when you have the worlds information at your fingertips. Remember, you get nowhere choosing ignorance when your fighting people with all the same information.

Sent by dr s | 9:56 AM ET | 03-18-2008

To Mr. Call;

I support our troops, but I don't do so in a way that is detrimental to them, as you seem to. I want our troops to be safe, and not embroiled in a conflict that is not winnable. Although I was not alive, I can see only one outcome to the war in Iraq, no matter who's at the helm. It more closely resembles the road to Saigon than the road to democracy.

And Barrack Hussein Obama offers a double threat to the American people that should be bringing them to their knees, on election day, praising him.

First, an economic policy that, for once, is beneficial to the guy who fixes your hot water heater. Imagine, the people fighting the war and their families, typically middle and lower class American's being dealt a fair hand, tax cuts, and new jobs for once.

Second, a policy that might actually bring home the troops, instead of extending their tours. Regional diplomacy is the key, and Mrs. Clinton doesn't seem to be interested in it. Stabilizing Iraq won't make a lick of change.

And I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Hillary Clinton more closely resembles a night manager at a fast food joint, than a person I'd want leading my country. We don't need a manager in the United States, we need a passionate leader.

When the red phone rings, I'd rather have an articulate leader on our end.

Sent by Alex Szeliga | 2:23 PM ET | 03-18-2008