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Pennsylvania's Political Grand Canyon

Pennsylvania has its own "Grand Canyon," a gorge 47 miles long and as much as 1400 feet deep. But that's nothing compared to the political gulf exposed by the Pennsylvania Democratic primary.

"It tells me that the two candidates represent two different 'peoples,'" says Bill Bishop, author of The Big Sort: Why the Clustering of Like-minded America is Tearing Us Apart.

"It also tells me that communities are tipping to one candidate or another, and that once that tipping begins, the vote becomes as much about community solidarity as it does political expression."

Bishop and geographer Tim Murphy analyzed the Pennsylvania vote county-by-county for the Daily Yonder, an online news outlet for the Center for Rural Strategies, a non-partisan group that tries to attract attention to rural issues.

Their findings indicate a deep division among Democrats that mirrors a national chasm between Democrats and Republicans.

The analysis measures the voting based on where voters live. It calculates the winning margins in rural, exurban and urban counties and indicates two very partisan and very different Democratic worlds in Pennsylvania.

Hillary Clinton not only won 33 of 34 rural counties in Pennsylvania, she won most of them by landslide proportions. Clinton won from 60 to 75 per cent of the vote in 30 of those counties. She also completely dominated 10 of 11 exurban counties, winning from 59 to 79 per cent of voters there.

The vote overall in urban counties was much closer. Clinton won the city vote statewide by just 4 percent. Barack Obama's only landslide wins were in exurban Centre County and urban Philadelphia.

In The Big Sort, Bishop uses decades of census data and election results to show that the nation's political divisiveness results from a deliberate sorting by Americans. People are clustering where there are like-minded folk.

"As Americans sorted by way of life, they also sorted by politics," Bishop contends. Republican communities became even more Republican and Democratic communities became even more Democratic. He now sees a similar kind of sorting among Democrats in the primary results in Pennsylvania and Ohio. "It's fascinating that the same kind of geographic polarization is happening within the Democratic Party."

"The polarization and separation of these two candidacies is becoming increasingly more vivid," adds Bill Greener, a Republican political consultant who closely tracks voting patterns in rural areas.

Greener has this list of hardcore Obama supporters: affluent urban liberal whites; minorities; and young people. "He's getting votes from the (Democratic) political equivalent of evangelical Christians. He is not getting votes from anyone who would ever vote Republican."

Greener's list of hardcore Clinton supporters includes feminists from the Democratic base, but also seniors and what he calls working class "ethnic" voters who dominate rural areas in Pennsylvania and Ohio. "She is getting support from people who might otherwise vote Republican."

"Clinton and Obama captured their votes in two different Pennsylvanias, just as the two senators split Ohio and Texas," adds author Bill Bishop. He notes that there was a difference of at least 20 percent in the vote tallies in 53 of Pennsylvania's 67 counties. Close to 60 percent of the state's Democratic primary voters live in those deeply partisan counties.

So where does that leave Democrats hoping for a united front when they finally have a presidential nominee?

"Obama's voters will go for Clinton if she's the nominee," says GOP consultant Greener. "But not as many Clinton supporters will go for Obama."

Bishop has what might be called the "Kumbaya" solution for Democrats. "It makes you think the only way to join these two quite separate communities is to join the two candidates."

-- Howard Berkes

 

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Howard Dean should have stopped the Party bleeding long time ago, either overtly or covertly!

Sent by Edward | 9:02 AM ET | 04-24-2008

How many ways can the same thing be said? Clinton gets the Democrats, Obama gets the leftists.

Not so long ago the dems made a deal with the devil and embraced the angry, leftist, whackjob nutroots in order to get votes. The nutroots' opressive policy of no dissent allowed is primarily what has caused such toxicity in our political discourse. Not too long ago there was a time when republicans and democrats could actually be civil to each other and discuss differences; that may be past. Now the nutroots have turned the democratic party into a sectarian battlefield. Take a look at Kos, huffingtonpost, moveon and democraticunderground any day of the week and you'll see what I mean. The hatred borders on pathological.

What is happening in the party is merely the chickens coming home to roost.

On some level I find it entertaining, but on a more serious one I find it to be quite sad that millions of normal everyday hardworking democrats might find themselves partyless when the party is destroyed from within. Everything the hateful left touches turns to poison. It might be too late for the democratic party now but it actually might not be. Amazing stuff.

Sent by deek | 10:00 AM ET | 04-24-2008

Old news...the party within the party has been split for at least eight years. One would have to be living under a rock not to have noticed.

Sent by George | 10:18 AM ET | 04-24-2008

Deek: Rev Wrights source of information. Stop spreading partial biased information like the media.

Meet the man who inspired Reverend Jeremiah Wright's now famous tirade about America's foreign policy inciting the terrorist attacks of September 11.

His name is Ambassador Edward Peck. And he is a retired, white, career U.S. diplomat who served 32-years in the U.S. Foreign Service and was chief of the U.S. mission to Iraq under Jimmy Carter -- hardly the black-rage image with which Wright has been stigmatized.

In fact, when Wright took the pulpit to give his post-9/11 address -- which has since become boiled down to a five second sound bite about "America's chickens coming home to roost" -- he prefaced his remarks as a "faith footnote," an indication that he was deviating from his sermon.

"I heard Ambassador Peck on an interview yesterday," Wright declared. "He was on Fox News. This is a white man and he was upsetting the Fox News commentators to no end. He pointed out, a white man, an ambassador, that what Malcolm X said when he got silenced by Elijah Muhammad was in fact true: America's chickens are coming home to roost."

Wright then went on to list more than a few U.S. foreign policy endeavors that, by the tone of his voice and manner of his expression, he viewed as more or less deplorable. This included, as has been demonstrated in the endless loop of clips from his sermon, bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki and nuking "far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon and we never batted an eye."

"Violence begets violence," Wright said, "hatred begets hatred, and terrorism begets terrorism."

And then he concluded by putting the comments on Peck's shoulders: "A white ambassador said that yall, not a black militant, not a reverend who preaches about racism, an ambassador whose eyes are wide open and is trying to get us to wake up and move away from this dangerous precipice... the ambassador said that the people we have wounded don't have the military capability we have, but they do have individuals who are willing to die and take thousands with them... let me stop my faith footnote right there."
So it seems that while Wright did believe American held some responsibility for 9/11, his views, which have been described as radically outside the political mainstream, were actually influenced by a career foreign policy official.

Sent by Concern | 10:34 AM ET | 04-24-2008

I am from Texas and what Howard Berkes describes is opposite what I have personally observed here. I see many of the Obama supporters here who are people who have generally considered themselves to be Republicans or independents. They are attracted to Obama's ability to unite and his integrity. They also admire McCain for his integrity and deplore the lack of integrity shown by Clinton. In the unlikely event that Clinton gets the nomination, they will likely vote for McCain.

There are many voters for whom integrity is a serious issue and Clinton is losing that group.

Sent by Gary | 10:54 AM ET | 04-24-2008

Concern, when you post entire articles by someone else you might want to cite the source.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/21/meet-the-white-man-who-_n_92793.html

That article explains ONE sermon by Wright in 20 years of whackjobbery. Any articles that explain his CIA invented AIDS to kill black people? How about the CIA pushed crack into cities to kill people? Any good explanations for that one?

The more people try to defend Wright, the more it is apparent that they know the association has hurt Obama.

Sent by deek | 12:17 PM ET | 04-24-2008

I do think that the 'Kumbaya Solution' referenced by Mr Bishop and many others ... will be inevitable ... is already being 'negotiate & framed' within the DNC ... and I do believe this strategy will prove successful in the General Election.

Not only will it put Democrats in the Executive branch ... the ripple effect will also enhance the probability of Democratic Candidates capturing more seats in the Senate and House.

I do think that the current contest between Obama & Clinton is to confirm the 'pole-positions' ... and establish who will be President and who will be Vice President (reference JFK & Johnson).

Sent by gryfyn | 1:18 PM ET | 04-24-2008

"How many ways can the same thing be said?"

deek, i wonder that every time i read your posts.:-)

and now that you've dragged in the "nutroots" pejorative from places better left unmentioned, we are gonna have to get used to referring to you as "our little wingnut" (psych, just kidding -- real "adults" don't need the name-calling to make their rhetorical bonafides).

what's brought on the hissy fit today? seems like everything is panning out as your team wants it. that there yonder commentarists seemsta think half o democrats are closet republicans. stuff like that sells books to the affluent closed-minded, who like to pretend that they know what "jus folks" is like. makes a nice opposite end to the coffee table with "whazza matter with kansas." smarmy but sells.

shouting "socialist" in a crowded blogspace only catches the attention of a few trolling wingn...er, fringe conservatives. yotta know that by now.

Sent by tim in exile | 2:46 PM ET | 04-24-2008

Not so long ago the reps made a deal with the devil and embraced the angry, revisionist, whackjob tele-evangelists and megachurch crowd in order to get votes. The "pseudo-christians" ("i like your Christ. why are your christians so unlike him?" - m. gandhi) oppressive policy of no dissent allowed is primarily what has caused such toxicity in our political discourse. Not too long ago there was a time when republicans and democrats could actually be civil to each other and discuss differences; that ended when it was sent on vacation by newt gingrich and tom delay and permanently cancelled by the imperial power-grabbing of the uniterer-not-a-dividerer.

Now the wingnuts have turned one of the the few decent guys in the republican party into a sectarian battlefield against himself(not quite as stark as Romney 08 vs. Romney 98 but ....). Take a look at (sitenames edited for fear of abusing impressionable children -- they involve tomato states, free repressive republics, odd-colored sports objects, etc -- you could google them with "bill-o zinger" or such) any day of the week and you'll see what I mean. The hatred and inability to reason borders on pathological.

What is happening in that party is merely the chickenhawks coming home to make guano on our constitution.

(dear mr. blog editor: is this better? if so, please omit this question at the end)

Sent by tim in exile | 5:21 PM ET | 04-24-2008

I hope the two-party system implodes soon. The Dems and the GOP both are trying to cram too much under their umbrellas, and the fact that the people under those umbrellas have wildly different opinions and priorities - surprise! - has been showing quite painfully during this primary process. Unless our system is amended to give other parties like the Libertarians, Greens, etc. a fair shake, both of the current ruling parties are going to self-destruct. I would love to see us go to proportional representation, but I'm sure that won't happen unless there is a revolution.

Sent by trueblue | 6:45 PM ET | 04-24-2008

Looks like I got inside someones OODA loop.

Sent by deek | 9:31 AM ET | 04-25-2008

throw enough acronyms around and somebody might a get to confusin sumbuddy with one of them wingnutty 1337 perfessors.

please dont confuse us bitter coffee with foamed milk drinkers with all that there gobbledygook. i just found out that Sun Tzu is not some kind of sencha and my head is exploding.

Sent by tim in exile | 4:31 PM ET | 04-25-2008

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