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What The Heck is "Equality" Anyway?

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Okay, here's a thought. Is "equality" between blacks and whites, men and women, and... well, between anyone really the goal of civil rights policy? What does it even mean to be equal?

When we talk about equality, we're often talking about two things. One is, according to our Constitution, the concept that "all men are created equal." The other concept is equality of opportunity, which has to do with issues like educational equity.

Let me go to the second issue first. Today on our show we took a few different cuts on the issue of equality.

First we spoke with Ward Connerly, who's successfully pushed to end race and gender based admissions and hiring programs. After transforming the political landscape in states including California and Michigan, he's now targeted five more states for ballot initiatives. (We got a bit salty with each other, too. Take a listen.)

We also spoke with Shanta Driver of By Any Means Necessary, which is a coalition battling Connerly's organization. She argues that black and Latino students, among others, have lost ground.

So, take a listen for yourself. Is ending race and gender-based affirmative action fair, or does it prevent long-term educational equality?

(For some historical background, check out our conversation today with three men whose families were involved in a court case that helped launch "Brown v. Board," the case that legally desegregated schools.)

Okay, let's get to the second point. Are people actually "equal?" The question hinges on whether "equal" means "same."

It's clear that we all bring different gifts to the world, and have different struggles. You can be born rich, poor, with physical challenges, and on and on and on. So when advocates call for equality, do they really mean that we should all end up in the same place? That, for example, all people should have a college education? (That's an argument I heard from analysts from the powerful Gates Foundation.) Or do they mean we should all have the same chance to do these things?

We don't always make these distinctions when we talk about equality, and maybe that's one reason -- just one among many -- that we still find ourselves fighting with each other instead of fighting to make things better.

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Shanta Driver's comments on the California University system are misleading. Although she is correct in her pronouncement that attendance at the most prestigious Californian University campuses by blacks and Hispanics dropped, black student attendance increased at lessor campuses in the California University system. More blacks graduated with degrees than previously, system wide. Its better to graduate from a lessor university, than to fail out of an elite school, which you have been accepted to perhaps not because of your skills and abilities, but rather on the color of your skin.

We need to get beyond institutionalized racism.

Sent by Daniel OConnor | 2:51 AM ET | 02-01-2008

Even if black student attendance increased at "lessor" campuses--is there any way of telling if it's because a bunch of people were rejected from an elite university and had to go to a second or third choice? Or could it be that in these unsteady economic time more blacks and hispanics decided it's better to be armed with a college degree--and so enrollment/graduation increased? There are a whole host of variables that may have been involved that have nothing to do with "the skills and abilities" of the students.

Also, why assume that if a person of color fails from an elite university, it's because they didn't really have the skill or ability to be there in the first place?

What about when white students fail? Should I assume that if a white student can't make the grade, it's because he/or she probably had a legacy appointment (got in because a relative attended)--but wasn't intellectually up to snuff?

Though it may sound like a great sound bite/zinger on a talk show, it's not a logical leap.

Sent by Versai | 12:17 PM ET | 02-02-2008



   
   
   
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