Choosing Segregation

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We've heard a lot today about the 50th anniversary of the desegregation of Central High School in Little Rock. Nine students were escorted by federal troops past an angry mob of white students and parents, after the Supreme Court decision in Brown v. Board of Education. Integration was the goal, but still many parents of all races choose segregation... not out of overt racism, but in an effort to find the best schools. We'll talk about choosing segregation on the show today. If you're a parent, or teacher, or a student... does integration factor into your decision on what school to attend? Is there a benefit to going to school with other students who like like you?

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I attended public school 25 years ago in a 99% white community. I now live in the neighboring community which is 89% white. My girls attend public elementary school now, but we are considering changing to a nearby city school that is a magnet school for the arts and EXTREMELY diverse socially and racially. My mother does NOT understand our desire for diversity. She feels that "like goes with like" and that my girls would get "a better education" at the school I attended as a child or at least in the district they are in now. We have a more world view, feeling that our girls need to learn about and interact with people of various backgrounds from an early age to properly prepare them for the larger world in which they will be living.

Sent by Debbie | 2:24 PM | 9-24-2007

Living in Bloomfield Hills Michigan, we have one of the best districts in the nation. I believe that the reason for its great success has to do directly with its diversity. My daughter goes to school with a number of different cultural backgrounds and experiences. Which can only provide for greater educational experience.

Sent by Chris Drouillard | 2:25 PM | 9-24-2007

White middle-class parents (and an increasing number of middle-class black parents, too)otherwise accepting of and even seeking diversity, often end up choosing private, largely white schools over less-white, more racially diverse public schools because of the poor quality of public schools. They are seeking quality and safety, and are willing and able, though many struggle financially, to pay for it. The "whiteness" is largely a side effect.

Public schools in this area are often dominated by too many (and one is too many) teachers who should be nowhere near children, curriculum that doesn't reflect real world needs, and large numbers of poorly socialized children who communicate with each other via push-and-shove, and are academically performing way below grade level. Sorry, but that's real deal. The answer?

Improve public schools! Make few disciplinary rules, but strongly enforce them. Drastically raise teacher pay, and giving principals more autonomy. Overhaul curriculums, and include life-skills like balancing checkbooks, home repair, and preparing healthy food. Public schools set the minimum standards for both public and non-public education in a region, and when they improve, all schools improve.

Yes, improving public schools WILL provide more competition for private and parochial schools, and will probably reduce the number of private and parochial students, but that will be good for everyone!

Sent by Miriam Davey | 2:35 PM | 9-24-2007

I would say the answer to this is pretty complicated. It is pretty well documented that poorer schools are having performance problems. Parents aren't going to send their kids to a school with poor performance in order to expose them to diversity, no matter what their race is. So do you try to improve the school first in order to attract better students and teachers, or do you sacrifice your kids education in order to do "the right thing for diversity"?

Sent by ms | 2:37 PM | 9-24-2007

I think diversity in schools and communities makes for a richer environment. With that said though, if there is a high diveristy school that also has a high drop out rate and generally does not seem conducive to learning, who would want their children to go there? Perhaps the question is not whether it is better to send students to "segregated" schools, but rather what we can do to improve the performance of low perfoming schools and level the playing field a little.

Sent by Holly | 2:39 PM | 9-24-2007

I am a Hispanic school psychologist living in a suburbian mostly white community with teenage twins who found the High School to be permated by racism. They endured comments such as "you Mexican, you should be mowing my lawn". After two years, my son was becoming depressed and hated his school. I was forced to move him to a charter school in the city where he blends in well and is very happy. My point is, some of us don't choose to segregate, but are force to. Thanks.

Sent by Ada Estrada-Williams | 2:40 PM | 9-24-2007

have been chasing a superior public school gifted education for my two African American girls, grades 4th and 9th. In this pursuit my two girls have changed schools eight times, generally for the better. I was struck by one of your callers who indicated that her son was the only white person in his public school class and how uncomfortable he was with the different culture. I just want to remind her and others that in 'integrated settings', many kids of color are a handful of brown kids in the predominately white schools. Regardless of how well meaning the staff and parents are, kids of color have to carry the heavy burden of being the 'other' most of the time.
Nedra Sims Fears

Sent by Nedra Sims Fears | 2:58 PM | 9-24-2007

I am an educator working in inner-city Milwaukee. I currently direct an afterschool program serving homeless and low-income youth. While our program is rather diverse culturally it is not economically as our funding is only to serve low-income children. I would like to interject economic class into the discussion on diversity. For many education is the means to raise children's possibilities and economic class as they become an adult and as an educator an economically diverse classroom is hugely beneficial to low-income students escaping poverty. This being said, funds from national, state, and local government as well as private foundations for school and out-of-school education programs require 75 - 100% of the children served be from low-income families. Thus in a very direct way our institutions are encouraging the continuing class divide and working against a truely diverse society.

Sent by Patrick Schrank | 3:00 PM | 9-24-2007

We have elected to put our youngest (Now 15) into private schools, starting with Montessori. We are in Northern California in a predominantly caucasian area. She is Caucasian. Interestingly, her best friends were Black, or East Indian in that Montessori school. She attended from preschool through 6th grade. Probably most impressive about the parents of the other children was their commitment to their child's education economically, and at home. This was a commonality we observed and shared.
Meanwhile, My Aunt has sponsored tutoring for the children of a latino couple in Southern California. A boy and a girl. Both of these children were brought up to speed from failing grades to A's and B's through elementary school. Unfortunately, the father was not supportive of the children's education. Uneducated himself, he saw no value in education. The mother was initally very supportive as well. However, now that the children are in Middle school, she seems to have given up on trying to maintain the value of education. All around these two kids, there is a cultural lack of commitment to the value of education, and this peer influence is taking control. The girl and boy are more interested in social success, and that success comes with a rebellious disregard for education and schools.
My point here is that the cultural values of the community are extremely important. In the case of our daughter, the parents could afford, and committed to support their children in private schools and at home. In the case of the Latino family, even the intervention of my aunt is being over come by the cultural lack of value for education.
We also have a similar experience in a business we have in a suburb of Memphis Tennessee. In spite of parents who value education, this Caucasian and black neighborhood is filled with others who do not value it. The children are again in this situation being led astray by a general lack of value for education.
My point is that I think intervention is needed to alter the cultural attitudes in all races toward education. Perhaps we can start with the parents, but something mentioned in this morning's program hit a nerve. They said that entertainers (this includes sports stars) are making lots of money and have great regard from these kids. We must make education entertaining. Good educators that can entertain should be paid well as entertainers/educators. Everything else these kids are exposed to are designed to entertain. It sells. It is one of the biggest industries in the world and the USA leads. So, let's entertain as we educate. Make it "Hot" to be in class.

Sent by Paul Claeyssens | 3:00 PM | 9-24-2007

I felt proud to be sending my children to a well balanced public school system. It turned out not to be so well balanced, but that's another story. Socially, it worked out well, but academically it wasn't very good. My children were well prepared for school, but other children were not, so my children coasted and developed terrible study habits, which didn't help at all when they reached higher grades and were transferred into more challenging programs. If I could do it over again, I would push for admission to a more challenging school over a diverse school.

Sent by Rhonda Massie | 3:02 PM | 9-24-2007

Violence is an issue in city schools, at least here in Rochester NY. How can anyone blame a parent who chooses safety over diversity when able to do so?

Sent by Mary | 3:03 PM | 9-24-2007

I recently retired from teaching in public schools in the East Bay - adjacent to diverse San Francisco, California. I have had the opportunity to teach in schools that were at opposite ends of a continuum best described in terms of income and (parent)education. Where parents had modest incomes and were educated beyond high school, one characteristic was consistent: Expectations for igh academic and social achievement for their school children. Parents who were less educated and living at/below the poverty level do not seem to share this same characteristic as consistently and with as much passion as our middle-class parents. These parents do not have the same amount of "capital", i.e., the capacity, wherewithal to share these same passionate expectations; they do not seem aware of the kinds of questions/demands that would empower them to choose the schools where high academic and social performance and results are the norm. The "good enough" attitude and expectations in some of our schools in neighborhoods plagued with crime and neglect should never be good enough.
One possible solution might include federal and state monies dedicated to "learning academies", "charter schools", and vouchers together with the parent education necessary to empower some of our parents.
Our big city public schools are "segregated" by choice (post-1957) because the teachers and the parents, rightfully, demand and expect the best for all of our children; race is not the issue.
Thanks.

Rodney

Sent by Rodney Williams | 3:05 PM | 9-24-2007

I am a student in a M.S.Ed program that is focused on urban schools. I would say that from the teachers I have met and worked with in many different contexts, that it is NOT the teachers' fault about the poor state of schools. Most have no choices in curriculum and are strictly regulated. Before people start blaming teachers, they should consider all the factors that work against the teachers making them unable to teach. Those teachers that choose to work against those odds and struggle with those students in the underfunded urban schools are heros and victims at the same time. I'm concerned also that there seems to be a theme today that by offering higher salaries, somehow better teachers will be attracted. Though salary increases would be great, most teachers in these areas would much rather more flexibility in their classrooms, less students, and more money put into classroom resources than a pay increase. Its not money, or lack thereof, that drives away good teachers, its frustration at not being allowed to be a good teacher and burning out.

Sent by J. Smith | 3:10 PM | 9-24-2007

I attended private, predominately black schools all through my elementary school years and then went to a predominately white school during high school. I was fortunate that my experience in both these settings was academically challenging.

While living in New York city, I sent my children to private pre-school programs which were predominately white because there were no other alternatives. When my daughter started kindergarten I chose to send her to public school because I felt she needed to be around children from culturally and economically diverse backgrounds. Her school did have more children of color than in pre-school but I definitely felt a desire from middle class and upper middle class white parents towards turning this public school into an elite private school. I witnessed parents pushing to get their children placed into classrooms that had less children of color for fear the presence of these children would retard their children's educational experience. I felt many middle class families, both white and black, sought to segregate their children from poor blacks and Latino children because the perception is that the more of "them" in a class the less challenging the curriculum and the less chance their child would have to get into the "right" kinds of schools.

Unfortunately, precious resources are being placed into these "right" schools where parents are able to provide financial resources that poorer schools are simply not able to provide for their students. The perception these parents have is that they are just being involved in their children's education but the reality is that this involvement is at the expense of those children who are not in these schools or programs. I found it upsetting as my daughter's school (which we were zoned for) received awards and accolades while a school located just five blocks away filled with children of color was considered a problem school. This school had no art programs, no music programs, there were no generous grants to provide guest speakers, field trips, or other enrichment programs.These children languished while people tried to lie, beg or bribe their way into my daughter's zone. Just being zoned to attend my daughter's school could increase the real estate value of one's property substantially.

We moved out of New York city about four years ago and live in a predominately white community. I was surprised to discover that there is great cultural diversity in this rural community. I'm very pleased with the school system because I know my children are receiving a solid education. This is a school system where teachers, administrators and other staff enroll their children. Parents are not solely focused on their children's education in an "us" against "them" mentality but on educating the entire community. Perhaps if teachers and administrators sent their children to the schools in their communities, there would not be questions about the quality of education nor would there be excuses for segregating education based on the "have's" and the "have not's".

Sent by Sandra Hamlett | 3:29 PM | 9-24-2007

One of your guests saw "tracking" as proxy racism, implying this a a practice that should be completely eliminated.

Growing up, I had one year (6th grade) where the school I attended had tracking. It was, by far, the best year I had in grade school and the only challenging one.

My high school was small and mixed all levels of achievement in the required classes. One day, I had the opportunity to attend an advanced placement English class with a friend who went to an adjoining school. I cried after I got out wishing so much I could have a class like that.

Why would you deny children a chance to be educated at their ability level? Having classes with others who loved reading would have been wonderful. Why is that wrong?

Sent by Nancy Nichols | 4:39 PM | 9-24-2007

Is there an age at which desegregating schools is most effective in yielding the benefits of diversity? I wonder because I went to a university that prided itself on being a "diverse" school, yet students stuck to themselves: blacks hung out with each other, whites which each other, Latinos with each other, and so on (members of the most diverse group, graduate students, also made sure to find other students from their own ethnic group/country). Could this be because students are raised in very homogeneous schools early on?

Sent by Joanna | 6:56 PM | 9-24-2007

In Oklahoma City, the Public Schools began desegregating in 1972, by imposing forced busing. We have to remember that desegregation and integration are not the same. Desegregation in Oklahoma City created some issues that they are still attempting to overcome. The forced busing created white flight, and forced young children to travel across town to schools that may not have been better performing than the schools they left in their own neighborhoods. Neighborhood schools that were previously supported by the African-American community began to decline, and eventually close. Parents were not able to be as involved in the schools as much because of the distance required to attend events, Parent-Teacher conferences and PTA meetings. In retrospect, I think the effort should have been more to help integrate neighborhoods and communities, as opposed to desegregating the schools. Currently, my children attend an integrated school, because we live in an integrated community.

Sent by R Douglas | 7:40 PM | 9-24-2007

I live in a medium-sized city in the Midwest. My children attended a very diverse high school with what I would label to be decent academics. Our area has a large Native American population and a number of meat packing plants. It has people with vastly different expectations about education. It is not a large enough community to have private schools beyond Catholic schools. Effectively, there is tracking, as it is not hard to get your child into honors program and that does make the academics better. I was reasonably happy with the overall education and the sense of community, but not overjoyed. I think that I got a much better education in suburban Chicago. My daughter attends a very prestigious national university and had quite a culture shock when she started. She was well-prepared (although I am not sure that she would have been had she not been a voracious reader).The students in her college for the most part have never met diverse people unless they were wealthy. They also had substantially superior academics. I am concerned that our good colleges are populated primarily with these excellent students who attended elitist schools to the detriment of the more typical (and less prepared) middle class public school suburban/rural/urban school and that the lack of diversity of our leadership is just going to be perpetutated as these students become powerful adults.

Sent by suzan | 9:02 PM | 9-24-2007

I grew up in a predominately white suburban neighborhood in Tulsa, OK. The elementary school I attended had less than a handful of students of color, where a majority of the time my sister and I were the only African Americans in the school. Our principle was Native American and the rest of the faculty were white. To round out our education, my parents enacted their "reverse busing" project, which was planned before we even moved to Tulsa, and applied for an inner-city transfer to allow my older brother, sister and I entry into a magnet program for middle and high school. It was this "reverse busing" that allowed us our first "experience" with diversity.
Not only were we able to participate in the International Baccalaureate and Advanced Placement programs, we were also able to study a number of foreign languages including Chinese and Japanese. To this day, my parents are still very proud of "reverse busing" us into the high achieving inner city schools that were also racially and economically diverse so that we would have a better view of the world in which we live.
Through my parents' careful planning, we were able to create lasting connections with other Americans from all different walks of life. We attended Booker T. Washington High School.

Sent by Earl Goodman III | 10:20 PM | 9-24-2007

My daughter attended a grammar school where she was in the minority. She had few friends and said she was afraid -- sometimes kids would threaten to beat her up. Her best friend was in the majority(Hispanic). When faced with her going to the local high school, which was almost totally Hispanic, we did the "white flight" thing and moved to the burbs. Overnight, my daughter changed. She relaxed, became part of many school activities and had a large group of friends. She was happy. If I had it to do over again, I'm afraid I would have done that sooner -- and go for whatever would help her prepare for college. In my profession, I was surrounded by people who sent their kids to private school and they (almost) all headed off to good colleges. I hate it -- but I'm afraid my social experiment cost my daughter a good education.

Sent by Doety | 10:45 PM | 9-24-2007

We sent our children to diverse schools in lower income neighborhoods when they were very young because that was all we could afford at the time. By the time they were in the elementary grades, we moved to a school district which was 93% white. We are African-American. The neighborhoods were great and the school was one of the best in the state. But when it was time for college, we encouraged them to attend predominately black colleges, and it was a good thing. Why? There is a strange dichotomy going on in some of these white institutions. We have seen A+ African American students attend those schools and the odds of them achieving or keeping a high educational goal is decreased. I know at least 2 young people who changed their majors (from medicine to teaching or pyschology) because they were influenced to believe that they could not do it by well-meaning, ignorant counselors. It can be easy to to do this to the young, because they can be manipulated. They are young, after all. The assumptions that people have when they interact with black students is so low at these white institutions--and so discouraging that these students lower their expectations. A student from the inner city who attended substandard schools and one who graduated with honors from a great suburban school is all the same to them. These people only see black.
However, when these high achievers attend a black university (like Xavier, Spellman or Howard) they are less likely to lower their expectations which explains why Xavier U of New Orleans graduates more black students who are accepted to medical school than any other institution in the United States. It is not a matter of ability; after all, the same students that I knew aced their high school classes in high level schools. It is simply a matter of attitude, expectations, and judgment.If you want them to succeed at the goals they set and you send them to certain schools--you as a parent must be watchful of those who would insert their own insecurities on your children. I know. I am an electrical engineer who never wavered in my quest to complete my goal, but I was a full grown adult and so was able to ignore those who tried to influence me to attempt a much lower education achievement.

Sent by Vrob | 1:51 PM | 9-25-2007

I grew up in Northern California and regardless of the idea of diversity and integration you have to take into account the mentality of immigrant communities. I am the child of two Indian immigrants and even though I am a born and bred American - my parents are of the mentality that they only 'work' with the rest of the public and society - rarely do they ever socialize with co-workers . They seem to feel more comfortable around people who are from their own community because of religous, cultural and social understandings. There seems to be an inherent prejudice within their own communites that is an 'us vs. them' . The difficulty is the disconnect that they have with their own children - most of whom are born and raised here, like myself. Regardless of socioeconomic standing there is always an underlying cultural mentality - whether you are white, black, brown or yellow.

Sent by Sara | 2:30 PM | 9-25-2007

I work in an ethnically diverse environment and also have students in special education that come from various backgrounds. Integration is a term that needs defining. In special education students are not "integrated" just because they are in the same place as regular education students.
If students are accepted as members of the group with different needs and strengths, rights and responsibilities, and can access the things they need to succeed in class - that is completely different than just physically showing up. Also, same doesn't mean equal. If one student needs a wheelchair to gain access to class, not all students need wheelchairs. Equality, sometimes means I get what I need and you get what you need which may be different to the observer.

Sent by terry | 3:16 PM | 9-25-2007

When did it become "bad" to be white? Why is it that minority cultures are able to celebrate and promote their culture when white people have to be ashamed of being proud of theirs. For example, you have black history month which celebrates the accomplishments of only black people. You have black history and black literature courses being offered in colleges. You have colleges that advertise themselves as "black" colleges for the purposes of receiving a cultural education. You have black television channels (BET) and black magazines (Ebony and Jet). All of these institutions are designed to celebrate and promote the black culture and I agree that they are important. So why is it that as a white citizen, I am considered wrong or even racist in my desire to reside in a predominately white community and send my kids to a predominately white school? I made these choices because I want the foundation of my children's education and experiences rooted within my culture. I teach my kids to be accepting of other cultures and that there is much to be learned from other's beliefs. But at the same time I want them to be proud, not ashamed, of their culture. How is choosing to send my child to a predominately white school any different than sending my child to a catholic school, or a military academy, or a black college? In each instance, it is about finding a familiar cultural environment in which to educate and raise your children.

Sent by Tom | 8:08 PM | 9-25-2007

The key to fixing public schools has nothing to do with financing. Furthermore, any educator who proposes that higher pay will increase their ability to educate our children does not deserve to be an educator. That being said, I do believe that schools are poorly financed and teachers are underpaid but they are not the root of failure of our public school system. The problem with the public school system is the lack of involvement of the parents. Case in point: my daughter was in kindergarten two years ago. Every month, a homework packet would be sent home to be completed by the end of the month. The material in the packets was meant to enforce the curriculum being taught in school. Every night, my daughter and I would sit down together and do a little of her packet. I would give my full attention to the work at hand. During the course of the school year, there were two students in her class that, not once, turned in their packets at the end of the month. As a result their academic progress was hindered and it was suggested that they repeat kindergarten. Now who is to blame for their failure? Not the lack of financing, not the teachers, not even the child themselves. Remember these are kindergarteners. The failure lies with the parents for not sitting with their child and putting their education first. Of course, the parents of these students complained to the school board and forced the school to advance their children. The probability of these two individuals to be successful in life is slim to non-existent and the parent should accept full responsibility for their failure. Now what makes a parochial school more successful? Financing in parochial schools is less than that of public schools. Teachers are paid less in parochial schools. The difference maker in parochial schools is that parents have a vested interest in their child???s education and they want their monies worth. They are not going to let their children fail because they are paying for their education out of pocket. And the reason they are willing to pay out of pocket is because they place a high value on education.

Sent by Tom | 8:39 PM | 9-25-2007

IMPORTANT POINTS

I teach in a public school, but now because I don't want my child's time wasted, send my child to a private school. Here's why:

1) Dominant socioeconomic class of a community affects the quality of its schools and the choices of schools community members make (choice or no choice), more than race alone.

2)Public school funding is largely dependent on the socioeconomic status of each community.

3)It have observed that poorer students in aggregate, whether white or minority, conform to school rules and productive norms of behavior less than their wealthier socioeconomic counterparts. (THERE ARE, OF COURSE, MANY INDIVIDUAL EXCEPTIONS!)

4) Family culture has a huge influence on student behavior.

If a school has little resources, it must then rely on its students to be motivated and willing to conform and cooperate with teachers so that they may learn despite their deficits in resources.

A school can have all the resources in the world and still produce sub-par students if the students' attitudes towards education and their behavior waste valuable learning time and lessen the quality of their work.

I believe that family and student culture influence learning more than the publishing date of textbooks.

If we want to improve the quality of education in this country across the socioeconomic board, we need to do two things: modify the way districts are funded and launch a 15 - 20 year media campaign to change people's attitudes towards education.

(Advertising has proven that people can be manipulated. Why don't we use it for something positive?)

So I send my kid to private school. There she will learn to take each person she meets on his or her own demonstrable merits.

Sent by Jonathan | 11:41 AM | 9-26-2007

I found listening to this discussion on Talk of the Nation very frustrating. The speakers seemed to be missing the point entirely. The purpose of school is academic education not to be a social science testing ground. Being in a multi or single racial school by it's self does not help or hurt a child's ability to learn her multiplication tables. The things that matter are class size, discipline, teacher quality and an the availability of an individualized education. Yes, I believe many current english and history curriculums are too eurocentric but we should focus on improving the curriculum not counting how many students of each race and/or class are in each classroom. Although not a parent now, I want my future children to get the best academic education from their school and if needs be they'll get their social integration lessons from after school activities, summer camp and church.

Sent by Jessamine | 2:32 PM | 10-3-2007

I think the biggest issue facing public education is class or socioeconomic status. However, one issue many people don't raise is why is it that students in Nigeria, India and China excel academically, when their schools don't even have half the funding that our poorest schools have? The answer is culture and the emphasis and value of education. This is why Oprah chose to open her school in South African as opposed to any city in the United States.

Sent by Clarissa | 1:26 AM | 10-14-2007

i think racial things do affect the way most kids learn today.there are people in school that just look for fights and deside to start them by sayin racial things to other people.that effects there learning by they have other things on there mind besides school work,and they sometimes end up fighting because somones racial comment and they get suspended and miss alot of school work.

Sent by RICKY | 11:59 AM | 10-31-2007

Well;I do think there is a problem with school fights.But I think there can be a soultion of the fighting.Justlet the kids let it out in guidence.Now i'm not saying let them fight.But let them talk it out why don't the kids like each other. who started all of this and why? That would be my soultion for the fights at school.Take that in.

Sent by De'Angelo tolbert | 12:06 PM | 10-31-2007

well it wouldnt be the same and it would stop some fights but it would be bad and confusing for others. it would kinda make life worse than it is and i think being together is a learning experience thank you .

Sent by anomonys | 3:05 PM | 11-1-2007

think racial things do affect the way most kids learn today.there are people in school that just look for fights and deside to start them by sayin racial things to other people.that effects there learning by they have other things on there mind besides school work,and they sometimes end up fighting because somones racial comment and they get suspended and miss alot of school work.

Sent by anomonys | 2:50 PM | 11-5-2007

I THINK THAT RACISM IS MEAN AND RUDE AND I DISCREMINATE AGAINST IT!

Sent by ASHLEY COFFEY | 1:27 PM | 11-14-2007

I belive that to choose segragation would be wrong i mean everybody has a choice of thier own free will yes but, you should not judge people based on color,but instead by getting to know them and thier personality. Segragation is wrong, but to me it is wrong to seperate people that you don't know. But it is a law now that people has the right to free speech and free expression. I know all about these but to have segragation among student is absolutly wrong, students should have the right to consult with others of diffent sort, not just there kind but there is not all the kinds of people because of thier skin color but instead we all are one.

Sent by Richard | 1:28 PM | 11-14-2007

I THINK SEGREGATION SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED.

Sent by BARRY SHEPPARD J.R AKA BIG BARRY | 1:38 PM | 11-14-2007

Yes I would because it would be less race problems.

Sent by devin lindsey & dalton stites | 1:48 PM | 11-14-2007

there to much violence in the world peolpe don't know when to stop it crazy but its LIFE

Sent by shantavia | 1:54 PM | 11-14-2007