Well, ya know, why am I not surprised. I mean, history is something constructed every day. It goes on and on. Did you know that if George Bush's Texas Air National Guard Unit had been called up for active duty, we'd of won Vietnam. Of course, if that unit had been called up, George would have missed the flight over to Vietnam. But somehow George would have still made Ace status by shooting down five Soviet made MIG fighter planes over Hanoi.

Which leads me to this segue of playing two little historical trivia game with y'all. Just to check your historical savvy for when the time comes to visit any Fantastic Freedom Institute anywhere in the world.

The first game is identifying quotes. Below are nines quotes. Some were made by Martin Luther King. Some were made by George Lincoln Rockwell. Martin Luther King was assassinated by a sniper in 1968. George Lincoln Rockwell was assassinated by a sniper in 1967. In both assassinations, a man was arrested an imprisoned. Yet, there has always remained a question whether the arrested man was really the assassin. Which of the below quotes is attributed to Martin Luther King. Which are from George Lincoln Rockwell:

1. Being prepared to die is one of the great secrets of living.

2. We march and fight, to death or on to victory. Our might is right, no traitors shall prevail. Our hearts are steeled against the fiery gates of hell. No shot or shell, can still our mighty song.

3. A man who won't die for something is not fit to live.

4. We must have a foreign policy which is based only on the long-term interests of our race, not on the interest of other races or on economic considerations or anything else.

5. All progress is precarious, and the solution of one problem brings us face to face with another problem.

6. A nation or civilization that continues to produce soft-minded men purchases its own spiritual death on the installment plan.

7. If a man is called to be a streetsweeper, he should sweep streets even as Michelangelo painted, or Beethoven composed music, or Shakespeare wrote poetry. He should sweep streets so well that all the hosts of heaven and earth will pause to say, here lived a great streetsweeper who did his job well.

8. We must make it an imperative duty of our government to protect the gifts which Nature has bestowed on America and to insure the maintenance of a clean, healthy, wholesome environment for our people.

9. I am not interested in power for power's sake, but I'm interested in power that is moral, that is right and that is good.

Okay, that's the first historical trivia pursuit game. Here is the second game. It is called Terrorist or Cheese. Below is a list of names. Some of them are terrorists. Some are them are cheese. Can you guess which are the terrorists and which are the cheese?

Mansooran
Chuck E. Cheese's
Girolle
Raja Solairman
Bokmakiri
Al-Barakaat
Nasreen
Sir Kolbansy
Fromagerie Androuet
Alfaro Lives, Damn It! (AVC)
Anatolian
Lou Nuer
Aum Shinrikyo
Ossau-Iraty
Fahnni Batur
Babbar Khalsa

I'll supply the answers later so you can take them with you to the Fantastic Freedom Institute
fred call aka bigbro

PS...The comment I made about Bush marrying a librarian while Kerry married a billionaire....someone wrote to remind me that Bush needed someone in the family who could read. Which, now that I think of it, is very important in opening a Freedom Institute. Thank you, Laura.....bb

Sent by fred call | 12:15 AM ET | 09-07-2007

Well put my friend...that title does sound like something out of a comic book!! (Laughing hysterically).

The problem with President Bush, and some of our past presidents in general, is that they were bred for their role. Their grooming began at a young age, watching their families' lives become dominated by politics. And then when they got older they have huge shoes to fill, and what do they do? They go on auto-pilot (ala Bush) and respond in awkward robotic ways because they have never seen these situations before in their lives. "Daddy didn't have to deal with that".

What America really needs is a president that rose up from nothing and can relate to the people, not someone born of privelige. A leader that ACTUALLY knows what freedom is because he or she had to earn it. This will put a stop to these wily ideas of the freedom institute....

Sent by Rashid | 1:22 PM ET | 09-07-2007

I think it's time to put an end to this tradition of having an actor become president. Let's let the actor be vice president this time. And why not have Morgan Freeman run for president of the Democratic wing of the Republican Party? I've seen Morgan Freeman be president in the movies. He looked damn good to me. Samuel Jackson? Why not have a vice president who is real sick and @$%*7&& tired of these $%&*#& snakes in this %&#(*& White House? While we're at it. Let's let Angelina Jolie run on the Democratic ticket. My hunch is she can pull in more voters than Hillary can.

Okay, admittedly I'm having fun with Fred Thompson. I'm predicting there will come the day when we, the people, can't tell the difference between our actors and our politicians. Which is only apt. America is the land of creative illusion. If Arnold were to take California and secede from the Union, this country would be in a mess. It's what George Orwell said was the definition of history: "Lies will pass into history."

Anyway, as promised, the answers to the historical trivia pursuit games.fred call aka bigbro

Being prepared to die is one of the great secrets of living.
George Lincoln Rockwell

We march and fight, to death or on to victory. Our might is right, no traitors shall prevail. Our hearts are steeled against the fiery gates of hell. No shot or shell, can still our mighty song.
George Lincoln Rockwell

A man who won't die for something is not fit to live.
Martin Luther King, Jr.

We must have a foreign policy which is based only on the long-term interests of our race, not on the interest of other races or on economic considerations or anything else.
George Lincoln Rockwell

All progress is precarious, and the solution of one problem brings us face to face with another problem. Martin Luther King, Jr.

A nation or civilization that continues to produce soft-minded men purchases its own spiritual death on the installment plan.
Martin Luther King, Jr.

If a man is called to be a streetsweeper, he should sweep streets even as Michelangelo painted, or Beethoven composed music, or Shakespeare wrote poetry. He should sweep streets so well that all the hosts of heaven and earth will pause to say, here lived a great streetsweeper who did his job well.
Martin Luther King, Jr.

We must make it an imperative duty of our government to protect the gifts which Nature has bestowed on America and to insure the maintenance of a clean, healthy, wholesome environment for our people.
George Lincoln Rockwell

I am not interested in power for power's sake, but I'm interested in power that is moral, that is right and that is good.
Martin Luther King, Jr.

Mansooran Terrorists
Chuck E. Cheese's Origin debatable. Possible doppelgangers.
Girolle cheese
Raja Solairman linked to Balik-Islam, which is also a terrorist group
Bokmakiri cheese
Al-Barakaat terrorist
Nasreen Terrorists
Sir Kolbansy cheese
Fromagerie Androuet cheese
Alfaro Lives, Damn It! (AVC) AKA Alfara Vive
Anatolian Anatolian Federated Islamic State
Lou Nuer Terrorists
Aum Shinrikyo "Teaching the Supreme Truth" terrorist group
Ossau-Iraty French Cheese
Fahnni Batur Indian cheese
Babbar Khalsa Sikh Terrorists

Sent by fred call | 5:08 PM ET | 09-07-2007

I have to say that I believe that George (Boom-Boom) Bush will demonstrate a willingness to listen to and consider contrary opinions roughly about the time that pigs fly.

Sent by Nancy K. Clark | 9:15 AM ET | 09-10-2007

I was wondering if anyone would become upset that I admixed quotes from George Lincoln Rockwell with those of Martin Luther King. Then I got to wondering if anyone knows who Rockwell was. Hint: He wasn't the Saturday Evening Post painter. Rockwell is attributed as being the founder of the "White Power" American Nazi Party movement. What I was trying to suggest was akin to Orwell's statement that "Whoever controls the past, controls the future." If you've read 1984, you know that Big Brother controlled and prefabricated the double-speak history of the enemy state of Oceana. Which created the present and future perspective of the enemy state Oceana. Replace Oceana with Vietnam or Iraq.

Okay, that was boring. Let's talk sport's analogy. Right now as we double-speak, Barack Obama's history is being created. Which is pretty much why Barack Obama can't win the White House. But, hey: Nixon once said we wouldn't have him to kick around anymore, and Reagan took his lumps before he finally got his party's nomination. And Hillary Clinton can't win the White House either. Don't need to go into the reasons why. Everyone already knows. Suffice to say that more American women relate to Laura Bush than they do Hillary Clinton. Suffice it further to say that us white guy Vietnam Vets don't have a clue what the Democratic Party's strategy is for '08, other than maybe having some great cocktail parties. Which doesn't say anything about what we are going to do about our soldiers in Iraq. It's getting to the point we can't protest the war anymore because nobody has a plan, and our soldiers in Iraq are left with their rear ends flapping in the wind. Pretty much like we had our tails handed to us in Vietnam.

Okay, that was boring, too. Let' move on.org. Saying that Oprah Winfrey and Clarence Thomas will vote Republican is not the only reason Barack Obama can't win the White House this time around. To attempt an illustration of why I express these feelings, I want to talk about sports. I understand Barack likes golf and basketball. Great. I'm going to talk about prize fighting as a parallel why Barack can't win this '08 election.

To begin: Today's black sports hero is Tiger Woods. Golf is a fun game. I've enjoyed many rounds of golf. It's a game you can play with a six pack of Bud in your golf cart. I appreciate Tiger Wood's enthusiastic support for education through of his chain of schools for gifted children. My memories of a black sport's hero are those of Muhammad Ali. I remember cutting school to go down to the Fifth Street Gym in Miami to watch Cassius Clay prepare for his championship bout against Sonny Liston. There's plenty to say about black athletes in golf versus black athletes in prize fighting. I like what former NBA great Charles Barkley had to say: "You know the world is going upside down when the best golfer is black and the best rap artist is white." Barkley was referring to Woods and Eminem respectively.

For me, it's real hard to say anything all that exciting describing a game of golf. So, I want to spend some time talking about two time heavyweight champion Floyd Patterson. Guess what? I'm going to compare Floyd Patterson to Barack Obama in sport's terms.

Floyd Patterson was often called a "gentleman boxer." One of the nicest guys you ever wanted to see make good. Cus D'Amato coached both Patterson and Mike Tyson. Which speaks volumes about Cus D Amato's ability to handle both ends of the emotional spectrum of heavyweight fighters. Floyd Patterson was respected as a "Good" black boxer. When I say "Good," I'm not referring to his obvious skills. I'm referring to Floyd Patterson being the kind of boxer that the white audience liked. Which is why so many "Bad" black boxers enjoyed beating the crap out of Floyd Patterson. "Bad" black boxers were those who white audiences didn't like. Muhammad Ali was a "Bad" black boxer. Ali was not liked by the white constituency because he said that he had no quarrel with them Viet Cong. That no Viet Cong ever called him a Nickel. Also, the "Bad" Cassius Clay (Ali) hung around with Malcolm X while training to fight Sonny Liston.

Now, before this, Sonny Liston was a "Bad" black fighter. Liston was mean spirited and just plain scared the crap out of white people. Except for the white godfathers who ran Liston's career. One time Liston got angry at his white godfather. Liston raised his fist to hit his white godfather. Who was a little, elderly fellow. His white godfather simply said, "If you hit me, you will be dead before morning." Other than that, Liston made average white people think that the boxer would come to their home just to beat up their white family. Sonny Liston was as "Bad" a black boxer as there was. Until it came time for him to fight Cassius Clay. Then, all of a sudden, Liston was the "Good" black boxer. Clay was the "Bad" black boxer. Every white guy in the audience in Miami wanted to see "Good" Liston destroy "Bad" Clay.

The white media so hated the brash Cassius Clay that they made Sonny Liston the "Good" guy. Sonny Liston was the guy who had a .38 caliber police slug embedded in his belly. But all the white men on the planet wanted Cassius Clay destroyed. So, we cut school to go down to the Fifth Street Gym to watch Angelo Dundee prepare Clay for his title fight against Liston. This was before rap was a form of music. We didn't know what Clay was saying and doing. But it was fun to watch. And we knew, right then, that Liston didn't have a chance. "Bad" Cassius Clay beat "Good" Sonny Liston twice. "Bad" Cassius Clay changed his name to "Really, Really Bad" Muhammad Ali. While "Good" Sonny Liston reverted back to being the "Bad" Sonny Liston who died from a heroin overdose.

Oh, I almost forgot about Floyd Patterson. The fighter who was the universally loved "Good" black fighter that every white guy rooted for, long as Patterson was fighting another black guy. Both Muhammad Ali and Sonny Liston took great personal pleasure out of beating the crap out of Floyd Patterson, the "Good" black boxer the white audience liked.

Sonny Liston did it more mercifully than did Muhammad Ali. Sonny Liston mercifully knocked Floyd Patterson out in the first rounds, in two different fights. Liston hit Patterson so hard that Patterson woke up in the next county. Muhammad Ali did it differently. Ali stood Patterson up against the ropes and hit him repeatedly for twelve rounds. Not hard enough to knock Patterson out and take Patterson out of his misery. Ali kept hitting Patterson time after time after time with stinging jabs and hooks. Muhammad Ali knocked out both Sonny Liston and George Forman. He didn't want to knock out the "Good" black boxer Floyd Patterson. He wanted to punish Patterson for twelve long, painful rounds.

Which reminds me there was another fight when Muhammad Ali took great pleasure in punishing a "Good" black fighter. That "Good" black fighter was Ernie Terrell. All the white men in the audience wanted to see the "Good" black boxer Ernie Terrell beat the "Bad" black boxer Muhammad Ali. Ali stood Ernie Terrell up against the ropes and kept hitting him, again and again, while shouting, "What's my name, fool? What's my name?" Because Ernie Terrell kept calling him Cassius Clay, instead of Muhammad Ali. Muhammad Ali patiently explained to the media, "Cassius Clay is a slave name. I didn't choose it, and I didn't want it. I am Muhammad Ali, a free name. It means beloved of God. And I insist people use it when speaking to me and of me." To Ernie Terrell, Ali treated him worse than he treated Floyd Patterson.

Muhammad Ali is known to have said, "Frazier is so ugly he should donate his face to the U.S. Bureau of Wild Life." Ali was also known to have said, "I wish people would love everybody the way they love me. It would be a much better world." Muhammad Ali had different personalities. I could almost imagine Oprah and Clarence Thomas voting for Ali, if Ali ran for office. Obama doesn't have different personalities. Not yet.

If Barack Obama were a fighter, he'd be a "Good" black fighter, like Floyd Patterson. But my hunch is Barack Obama is better suited for the game of golf than prize fighting. Bill Clinton and the elder George Bush play a lot of golf together. I can see the day when after the '08 election that Barack Obama will be playing golf with the younger, retired George Bush. That'd be Barack's business style. I can see that in him. So can a lot of other people. If Barack can ever become a "Bad" black fighter like Ali, I don't know. But it sure ain't gonna happen this time around.

And Hillary can't win. So, the troops are left hanging in Iraq without an alternative plan. And that's the real sad part about this whole excursion into '08 electoral double-speak futility.

Fred call

Sent by fred call | 4:47 PM ET | 09-10-2007

"Then a big projectile exactly the size of a fist in a glove drove into the middle of Foreman's mind, the best of the startled night, the blow Ali saved for a career." Norman Mailer: The Fight.

Norman Mailer, the white Jewish guy, got to talk about his black experience in a way that other white guys can only envy. Mailer went to Zaire. He did road work with Ali. "Ali boma ye." Good thing for Mailer that Ali beat George Forman. Otherwise his book would have gone for naught. Ali had been beaten by Joe Frazier. A beating from powerful George Forman could have meant death. Forman had chased Joe Frazier around the ring. Hit Joe Frazier from behind. Over Frazier's left shoulder. Frazier did a funny dance step, then hit the canvas like he was never going to get up. George Forman had the punch that could literally kill Muhammad Ali. Norman Mailer went to Zaire, the former Congo, to see if Ali would die in the ring.

So goes another reason why Barack Obama can't win the White House. Barack is not of the personal charisma magnitude of Ali. Barack is not even a Michael Jordan, or a Tiger Woods or a Martin Luther King persona. He definitely isn't an Ali doppelganger.

Me? During the fight in Zaire? I was in Washington, D.C. when Ali fought Foreman in Zaire, also known as the Congo. There was a black girl I knew in Miami. She moved to Washington to got to work for the Kennedy Center. I went north to Alexandria, on the Virginia side, where she lived. Spent a month there in Washington. She took me to places in Washington I couldn't have gone to, or found on my own. Not as a white guy. That was my one big excursion to Washington, D.C. where I experienced the black culture of the nation's capital. There's the White House. Then there's the rest of Washington that is black. In that month, I saw Washington like I never experienced Washington again. She later married some other guy. That was that. But I had seen and experienced Washington with her for that precious month.

But there was that night when Ali and Foreman fought. It was on the radio. From the former Congo. Zaire. The "Rumble in the Jungle" No television. No pay-per-view. This was Don King's first big fight promotion. Nobody knew yet who Don King was. This was the biggest sporting event in Washington. so big that people all but forgot who the Washington Redskins were playing that Sunday. In Washington, you just don't forget the Redskins for no simple matter. JFKs funeral had not made people forget who the Redskins were playing. Ali fighting Foreman on the other side of the world, on radio, did.

She took me to some fellow's apartment. For a radio party. I won't go into detail what was going on at the party while everyone waited for the fight to begin in Zaire. Don King was there in Zaire. Which didn't mean anything to us then. Norman Mailer was there watching the fight. Which didn't mean anything until his book came out after the fight. It was Ali and Foreman. That's all. Nothing more had to be said. Foreman's corner held a little prayer vigil, praying that Foreman's punches wouldn't kill Ali. When the fight did come on, everything went quiet. What was it? Eighth round? After seven rounds of the infamous rope-a-dope. Then in the seventh round Forman went down. The "Rumble in the Jungle" was over with the count. At that second, grown men in Washington, D.C. tore their shirts off and ran through the streets of Washington declaring they had been visited by God and been saved by the black Archangel Michael.

Then there was silent doubt. Cause everyone wanted to make sure they heard right. Foreman was really down and out? Ali was champ? It was true. Then the endless partying in Washington began. I tried hard as I could to grasp the black meaning of Ali beating Foreman. All I could do was go along with the partying. Whatever the shamanistic explosion, I just quite trying to understand, and went with the flow. The party lasted right on through as the Washington Redskins played someone that following Sunday afternoon. I don't know who. Nobody in Washington seemed to know who the Redskins played. The hangover I had lasted another two days.

Let me put this into perspective. Not even Tiger Woods or Michael Jordan in their greatest accomplishments, so moved the people, not even by a tenth, as that night Ali beat Foreman. Yeah, I know how much money Tiger Woods and Michael Jordan have. But I am talking about the ability to send people into a frenzy. Not even Michael Jordan when he won if for the Bulls. Not Barry Bonds, I don't care if he hits 900 home runs. I saw it with my own eyes.

After experiencing that fight, I intuited Muhammad Ali's life after boxing. That was one charisma who could unite not only the black American communities, Ali would go to Africa. He would be Che Guevera times a hundred, except on the darkest continent. Muhammad Ali was a true world leader for the coming global economic village. I saw with my own eyes Martin Luther King in Chicago. It didn't compare. After that night in Washington, I truly believed that Muhammad Ali would become a global village Gandhi.

Should have known better. Then came the Parkinsons. Whether it was God made or man made, I won't go into those intuitions at this point. A while later, I read Mailer's book "The Fight." You get the feeling that feeling that greatness fell Abraham Lincoln and Julius Caesar and so many others.

Barack Obama's charisma palls in comparison to Tiger Woods or Michael Jordan. Barack simply does not even come close to move things the way Ali did. Barack Obama will make a personal fortune. He will play golf with the Bush family. But he won't compare to Muhammad Ali as a people's leader.

But here's one more point. The best thing that can happen to Obama is that Hillary Clinton takes the party's nomination, and Obama goes off to work on his future political career. Let Hillary Clinton take the terrible beating from the GOP. That embarrassment will be the end for all-time of Hillary Clinton pretending for the White House. If Obama takes the severe national beating in '08, that could be the end of Obama's future aspirations. He's got legs. He can come back. He won't be remembered as the Democrat who got steamrolled. Barack Obama might find some strategic answers in the interim. What it is, I don't know. Looks to me as though nobody knows at this moment.

Fred call

Sent by fred call | 4:44 PM ET | 09-11-2007

I was against the invasion of Iraq from the First Persian Gulf War. I was against Vietnam. But, unfortunately, the time of hating George Bush for the sake of hating George Bush has come to the point of no return in futility and domestic political suicide.

One of the primary reasons neither the Republicans nor the Democrats can end the war in Iraq, pulling the troops out would send the American economy into an inflationary spiral so steep it could be called an economic depression.

Case in point: Back in 1968, Lyndon Johnson refused his party's offer to run for re-election. Before Johnson left the White House he made the most prophetic statement that when the Vietnam War ended, America would fall victim to a massive recession.

Sure enough, Vietnam ended. Practically overnight gasoline prices doubled. Automobiles lined up around the block during the "created" gasoline shortage. Unemployment went through the ceiling It was one of the biggest recessions this country had ever experienced. There was Watergate (If the economy was good, the public would have forgiven Nixon. Jimmy Carter got elected, we lost the Panama Canal and finally the Reagan years arrived to bring tears of joy and the invasion of Granada and the Falkland Islands (by the Brits, of course).

We've gotten ourselves into a real dangerous Catch-22 here. It is an almost terrifying nightmare to ponder should the Iraq War suddenly come to an end. Many economists predict we'd just pass a recession like "GO" and head directly into an economic depression. We are so deep in debt to China we'd not only have to give them Taiwan without a struggle, for crying out loud, we might have to give them Hawaii.

There isn't a president, Republican or Democrat or from the third planet from the sun party, who is willing to jeopardize their term of office to such an historical footnote. And such a major economic recession would make the American public wish for another war. Which wouldn't be hard to accomplish. It wouldn't even take a terrorist attack of the magnitude of 9-11 to send the troops overseas again.

Fred call

Sent by fred call | 1:08 PM ET | 09-24-2007

United Methodist Opponents of Bush Institute Vow to Continue Fight

September 25, 2007

For immediate release

Today opponents of the Bush Library and Institute vowed to continue their fight within the 11 million member United Methodist Church to deny approval to Southern Methodist University (SMU) to host the Bush complex.

The South Central Jurisdictional Conference of the United Methodist Church will meet in Dallas from July 15-19, 2008, when it will be asked by SMU to approve the use of university land for the Bush complex, which will include a partisan political institute operated totally by the Bush Foundation. United Methodist opponents of the Bush complex will ask the 290 elected delegates to the Conference to vote against this request. The delegates in the South Central Jurisdictional Conference represent the 1.83 million United Methodists living in Texas, Oklahoma, New Mexico, Missouri, Kansas, Nebraska, Arkansas, and Louisiana.

Bishop Joe A. Wilson explains: "Even though the 21 member Mission Council approved by a vote of 10-4 the use of the SMU property for the Library and partisan Policy Institute, this decision must be ratified by the larger Jurisdictional Conference which meets in July of 2008. The rules of the Jurisdiction state that, "all actions taken by the Council shall be valid and in full effect.....until the next regular session of The Conference." He adds, "to place a partisan policy Think Tank, with no oversight by the church and university, on the grounds of a United Methodist Institution, is an issue the Jurisdictional Conference must not take lightly."

"The placement of the George W. Bush Library and the establishment of an Institute to promote the policies of this president at Southern Methodist University would be a tragedy," said Bishop William Boyd Grove. "The policies of the Bush administration are in direct conflict with the Social Principles of the United Methodist Church on issues of war and peace, civil liberties and human rights, care for the environment, and health care. SMU is a university of the church and is home to one of our outstanding theological seminaries. Its United Methodist identity and its moral authority would be seriously compromised were it to be identified with the policies of George W. Bush in this way."

"To place a partisan institute on the campus of a United Methodist university is unacceptable," said the Reverend Andrew Weaver, "especially when it will espouse the policies and values of an administration that has advocated torture, violated international law, and left the constitution in shambles. We want SMU to be a great university, not a propaganda machine for the Bush administration."

Organizers of the effort question the educational value of the Bush complex, pointing to Executive Order 13233, which provides former Presidents with virtually unlimited powers to deny or grant access to documents generated under their administrations. Bishop C. Joseph Sprague observed, "last spring the Faculty Senate and the history faculty at SMU issued statements criticizing the Executive Order as incompatible with the goals of providing public and scholarly access to federal documents. It is a great concern when a large number of the faculty at a United Methodist university question the educational value of a project."

Bishop Kenneth W. Hicks noted, "in February of 2007, bishops, clergy and laity of the United Methodist Church began a petition calling for the SMU trustees and the UMC to reject the Bush project. That petition (www. protectSMU.org) now has the signatures of 15 UMC bishops and more than 10,800 Christians (mostly United Methodists) and persons of conscience. We are very much encouraged by the national and international response that we have garnered."

Bishop Susan M. Morrison observed, "while I respect the office of the presidency, presidential libraries are created, partly, to celebrate the legacies of particular presidents. Since George W. Bush's leadership has been so problematic and contrary to much of our Social Principles, it does not seem appropriate to place this library in the midst of one of our celebrated educational institutions."

Sent by ANDREW WEAVER | 5:10 AM ET | 09-27-2007

"Methodists are Baptists who can read."
...........Norman McClean 'A River Runs Through It.'

Sent by fred call | 10:29 AM ET | 09-28-2007