After DNC Hack, Cybersecurity Experts Worry About Old Machines, Vote Tampering : All Tech Considered Experts have long warned that America's patchwork of old and unsecured voting systems leaves votes vulnerable to tampering — and in ways that wouldn't have to involve a foreign attack.
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After DNC Hack, Cybersecurity Experts Worry About Old Machines, Vote Tampering

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After DNC Hack, Cybersecurity Experts Worry About Old Machines, Vote Tampering

After DNC Hack, Cybersecurity Experts Worry About Old Machines, Vote Tampering

After DNC Hack, Cybersecurity Experts Worry About Old Machines, Vote Tampering

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Polling station chairman helps a voter at a voting machine during the Republican presidential primary in February in West Columbia, S.C. Sean Rayford/Getty Images hide caption

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Security experts say that Russian hackers have broken into the computers of not only the Democratic National Committee but other targets as well.

This has raised a new wave of concerns that on Election Day, the votes themselves could be compromised by hackers, potentially tipping the results. Most states have returned to paper-backed voting systems in recent years, but that still leaves vulnerable a number of states that rely solely on machines.

Zeynep Tufekci, a professor at the University of North Carolina's School of Information and Library Science, tells NPR's Scott Simon that without these paper-backed systems, up to 15 states could be putting their election results at risk. That's a possible reach of 60 million voters — "enough to swing an election," Tufekci says.


Interview Highlights

On how easy it is to tamper with voting machines

Unfortunately, too easy. And this has been demonstrated again and again by security researchers around the country.

In my old workplace — at Princeton University at the Center for Information Technology Policy — we had this lounging area with comfy couches, and researchers had decorated the place with a voting machine that had been hacked to play Pac-Man instead of counting votes. ... And when they hacked this, the machine had been in use in jurisdictions around the country with more than 9 million voters.

The worry is, in a lot of states that are critical to the election — swing states — they don't even have a paper trail that you can audit with. That's really worrisome given how crucial elections are.

On how vote-tampering might happen in the upcoming election

It's not a straightforward thing, in the sense that the doomsday scenario where some foreign power or some domestic player hacks all of them, because the election machines we have are a patchwork of different systems. It's kind of hard to pull off a centralized hack.

But let's consider Georgia, which is running electronic-only machines — there's no paper trail. ... And the machines they're using are more than a decade old, so the hardware is falling apart. And the operating system they're using is Windows 2000, which hasn't been updated for security for years, which means it's a sitting duck. Georgia traditionally votes for the Republican presidential candidate. Now this year, some polls are suggesting a close race. And let's assume there's an upset and there's a 1 percent win by Hillary Clinton, and let's assume that people are objecting, because this is kind of unexpected. There's no way to check.

I feel this is such an important, crucial thing that security experts have been warning for 10 years, and maybe this attention with the DNC hack can get us focused on this issue that is not new but keeps not getting fixed.

On the importance of paper trails

Fraud comes in many ways, and there's no question that there are ways to steal elections based on paper, but it's easier and more possible to describe tamperproof paper protocols and to implement them. Because of security experts' concerns, a lot of states have moved to paper trails. The number of states that don't have it include all of Georgia, parts of Pennsylvania, a few places even in Florida. And Ohio does have a paper trail but experts say it's not a reliable and worthy one.

On foreign powers tampering with U.S. elections

I don't find the foreign power meddling in U.S. elections that likely, because the stakes are so high. I mean, if a foreign country ... meddles in U.S. elections, they know the U.S. will retaliate very hard against something like that. So I'm not that worried that it's going to be a foreign power.

But the lack of security means a corrupt official ... a teenage hacker, or just losing votes and not even knowing you lost the votes — all of those are very real possibilities. So while we imagine these apocalyptic scenarios of some foreign power meddling, the real issue is we have the thing falling apart in 10 different ways that we're not fixing.