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Madoff Victim: Financier's Apology Does Nothing

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Madoff Victim: Financier's Apology Does Nothing


Madoff Victim: Financier's Apology Does Nothing

Madoff Victim: Financier's Apology Does Nothing

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Disgraced financier Bernard Madoff was sentenced Monday to 150 years in prison. The verdict was sweet justice for many people who invested and lost money with Madoff. One of those investors, Miriam Siegman, says the fact Madoff will be in jail for 150 years doesn't mean there will be meaningful changes to the system.


And we're joined now from New York by one of Bernard Madoff's victims, New York retiree Miriam Siegman, who spoke at Mr. Madoff's sentencing today. Ms. Siegman, what was your message to the court and to Bernard Madoff today?

Ms. MIRIAM SIEGMAN: Well, essentially I said that - I felt that I lived in a world that was now threatening - that the man sitting in the courtroom before us had robbed me, and at an instant, beat me into some kind of senselessness. He discarded me and he discarded all of his victim like so much roadkill.

BLOCK: Roadkill.

Ms. SIEGMAN: Yeah. Victims kind of just became a casual byproduct of his greed. And I talked about the fact that six months have passed by and I manage on food stamps. Sometimes at the end of the month I scavenge in dumpsters. I long to do things like go to a concert, but of course I never do. I don't buy medication often. I shouldn't even shine my shoes every night because I'm afraid they're going to wear out. I do my laundry by hand in the kitchen sink. And, you know, I collect empty cans and bring them to redemption centers. So, we talk about the reality with my daily life.

BLOCK: Could you tell whether what you were saying had any impact on Bernard Madoff himself? Could you tell how he was reacting?

Ms. SIEGMAN: No, because the court saw fit to seat us behind his head.

(Soundbite of laughter)

BLOCK: So you couldn't watch his - you couldn't watch his face.

Ms. SIEGMAN: No, no. In honesty, I think that the biggest thing is that I live with fear and that that fear strikes me unpredictably.

BLOCK: What kind of fear?

Ms. SIEGMAN: Well, part of - there's a fear of trying to calculate how long I can hold out financially. I'm 65 years old, recently retired and having serious physical problems. And it's only a matter of time before I will be unable to meet, I think, my own basic needs like food, shelter and medicine.

BLOCK: How much did you lose with Bernard Madoff?

Ms. SIEGMAN: Everything. I lost my entire pension and all my savings.

BLOCK: And when you do the math, how much was that?

Ms. SIEGMAN: Well, 40 years worth of hard work.

BLOCK: Mm-hmm.

Ms. SIEGMAN: Thousands and thousands of dollars saved over a lifetime.

BLOCK: Was it at all cathartic for you to make the statement that you did make in court today?

Ms. SIEGMAN: I guess not really. And the reason I say that is I think all of us had hoped for was a truth that might have come at trial. You know, when you have a trial, you have subpoena power and people get on the stand that are cross-examined. But Bernie orchestrated this whole thing from the beginning, and so there was no trial and the judge decided to accept the plea bargain.

BLOCK: There was a moment, Ms. Siegman, in court today when Bernie Madoff turned and faced his victims and said, I'm sorry, I know that doesn't help you. But you did get an apology. How did that register with you?

Ms. SIEGMAN: Not at all. He gets sent off and we get a lifetime sentence that is a horrible sentence. It's a sentence of want, of humiliation and the inability to care for, in my case, to care for myself in my older age. And that's not a pretty prospect. But worst of all is the nagging feeling that I have that none of this will change anything and that's what is so devastating.

BLOCK: That none of it will change anything for the broader system.

Ms. SIEGMAN: Yeah. For the next generation, for your generation, the people who have pensions and who have savings. You know, the fact that Bernie Madoff sitting in jail for 150 years, or however long he lives, doesn't change any of what needs to be changed - real meaningful changes to the system.

BLOCK: Well, Miriam Siegman, thank you very much for talking with us.

Ms. SIEGMAN: You're quite welcome.

BLOCK: Miriam Siegman is a New York retiree, one of the victims who spoke about their losses at the sentencing of Bernard Madoff in New York today.

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Madoff Sentenced To Maximum 150 Years In Prison

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Convicted swindler Bernard Madoff was sentenced Monday to 150 years in prison for stealing billions of dollars from hundreds of investors over decades in one of the largest Ponzi schemes in history.

U.S. District Judge Denny Chin called the scope of the fraud "staggering" and gave the 71-year-old financier the maximum sentence allowed, ensuring Madoff would live out his days behind bars. The probation department had recommended a 50-year term, while the defense lawyer had sought 12 years behind bars for his client.

With the verdict, Chin said he was sending a message "that Mr. Madoff's crimes were extraordinarily evil, and that this kind of manipulation of the system is not just a bloodless crime that takes place on paper, but one instead that takes a staggering toll."

Cheers and applause erupted from the gallery as Chin announced the verdict.

Before the sentence was handed down, Madoff faced the wrath of nine of the hundreds of people he cheated in the fraud that wiped out fortunes large and small. Although he showed no emotion during their testimony, he did offer an apology to family and victims.

"I dug myself deeper into a hole" as the scheme progressed, Madoff said, adding that he would "live with this pain, this torment, for the rest of my life."

The victims who came forward testified that they had suffered financial ruin because of Madoff's fraud.

"How could somebody do this to us? How could this be real? We did nothing wrong," said Dominic Ambrosino, a retired New York City corrections officer. "We will have to sell our home and hope to survive on Social Security alone."

"Life has been a living hell. It feels like the nightmare we can't wake from," said Carla Hirshhorn.

Tom Fitzmaurice accused Madoff of cheating his victims "so he and his wife, Ruth, could live a life of luxury beyond belief."

Another victim, Michael Schwartz, told Madoff he wished a jail cell would be the disgraced financier's coffin.

Madoff has already been ordered to forfeit assets worth more than $170 billion — the amount prosecutors say "flowed into the principal account to perpetrate the Ponzi scheme." The amount includes all his personal property, real estate, investments and $80 million in assets that his wife — who has not been charged — had claimed were hers. The order left her with $2.5 million.

After the sentencing, Ruth Madoff said in a statement that she felt "betrayed and confused" by the actions of her husband. "The man who committed this horrible fraud is not the man whom I have known for all these years."

She added: "Not a day goes by when I don't ache over the stories that I have heard and read."

The exact amount of the fraud has yet to be calculated, largely because it was so vast and went on for so long. Weeks before Bernard Madoff's December arrest, statements showed that his firm had $56 billion in accounts.

Madoff's case has become symbolic of Wall Street greed and a laissez-faire attitude toward federal oversight. Madoff, a former Nasdaq chairman, had earned a reputation as a trusted money manager with a track record of delivering stellar returns in good markets and bad. His clients — ranging from Florida retirees to celebrities such as Steven Spielberg, actor Kevin Bacon and Hall of Fame pitcher Sandy Koufax — consistently enjoyed steady double-digit returns.

On March 12, Madoff pleaded guilty to securities fraud and other charges, saying he was "deeply sorry and ashamed." He insisted that he acted alone, describing a separate wholesale stock-trading firm run by his sons and brother as legitimate.

The terms require the Madoffs to sell a $7 million Manhattan apartment where Ruth Madoff still lives. An $11 million estate in Palm Beach, Fla., a $4 million home in Montauk and a $2.2 million boat will be put on the market as well.

Aside from an accountant accused of helping Madoff hide the scheme, no one else has been criminally charged. But family members as well as brokerages that recruited investors have come under intense scrutiny by the FBI, regulators and a court-appointed trustee overseeing the liquidation of Madoff's assets.

In bankruptcy filings, trustee Irving Picard said family members "used customers' accounts as though they were their own," putting Madoff's maid, boat captain and house sitter in Florida on the company payroll and paying nearly $1 million in fees at high-end golf clubs in Florida and on Long Island, N.Y.

Picard has sought to reclaim ill-gotten gains by freezing Madoff's business bank accounts and selling off legitimate portions of his firm, Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities LLC. (Its season tickets for the New York Mets went for $38,100.) He also is suing big money managers and investors for billions of dollars, claiming they were Madoff cronies who also cashed in on the fraud.

Material from The Associated Press was used in this report.