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Iranian envoys meet Thursday in Geneva with representatives from Europe, Russia, China and the U.S. for talks that will focus on Tehran's suspect nuclear program. The meeting comes as Iran's foreign minister visited Washington on Wednesday on a rare visit.


From NPR News, this is ALL THINGS CONSIDERED. I'm Robert Siegel.


And I'm Melissa Block.

In Geneva tomorrow, the U.S. and five other world powers will begin a much anticipated dialogue with Iran. Its suspected nuclear program will top the agenda. As NPR's Michele Kelemen reports, it remains to be seen how Iran will respond.

MICHELE KELEMEN: The days leading up to the Iran talks didn't bode well for the diplomats involved. The confidence gap grew larger as the world learned of a second Iranian nuclear enrichment facility. And the Iranian revolutionary guards held two days of missile tests. White House Spokesman Robert Gibbs was trying to use all that as a bit more leverage.

Mr. ROBERT GIBBS (Press Secretary, White House): And I think the onus is on the Iranians to show the world that the program that they have is for - is a peaceful program to create energy rather than a secret program for nuclear weapons.

KELEMEN: And if it doesn't, the administration is working with its partners in tomorrow's meeting - the European, Russians and Chinese - to tighten sanctions. Robert Hunter of the Rand Corporation says the U.S. is in a better position now to get slightly tougher sanctions, but he doubts that will make a difference.

Mr. ROBERT HUNTER (Senior Advisor, Rand Corporation): Quite frankly, sanctions are what, in the business, one calls a feel-good policy. It's not one that's likely to have any impact.

KELEMEN: And some sanctions could provide an unpopular Iranian government with a new rallying cry. The Rand expert argues that the U.S. should go into tomorrow's talks with a different agenda, focusing not just on the nuclear issue, but on terrorism, Iraq and Afghanistan.

Mr. HUNTER: What I would like to see the administration add to the things they're already doing is absolute clarity that if Iran will do what we want it to do, then we will give them security guarantees. If they don't, we don't.

KELEMEN: Flynt Leverett of the New America Foundation has also been calling for a rapprochement along the lines of the Nixon era thaw with China. But he says the Obama administration doesn't have a real diplomatic strategy.

Professor FLYNT LEVERETT (Senior Research Fellow, New America Foundation): The administration at this point is not really going into this Geneva meeting wanting to do a kind of Nixon-to-China opening with Iran. They want to go into this meeting and deliver ultimata.

KELEMEN: And that, he says, won't work. According to Leverett, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad made clear at a dinner in New York last week that Iran will negotiate only if the U.S. is serious about resolving a full range of issues.

Prof. LEVERETT: President Ahmadinejad was very, very explicit about that, that, yes, we can talk about the nuclear issue or yes, we can talk about and cooperate on Afghanistan. But this needs to be embedded in a bigger, more comprehensive framework. And we need to be confident that the United States is really interested in a fundamentally different sort of relationship.

KELEMEN: But it is Iran that hasn't shown any interest in that, according to Karim Sadjadpour of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. He says the Obama administration has done more than any other since the Iranian Revolution to try to turn the page.

Mr. KARIM SADJADPOUR (Associate, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace): In his inauguration speech, he made it clear that he's interested in forging a new tone and context of the U.S.-Iran relationship. He sent notice, greetings to the Iranians. He privately sent two letters to the supreme leader, Ayatollah Khamenei. This was unprecedented and we haven't really seen any signs of meaningful for reciprocation for the Iranians.

KELEMEN: Sadjadpour says, there have been no signs that Iran will be willing to curtail its nuclear ambitions or change its relationship with Hezbollah and Hamas.

Mr. SADJADPOUR: And we're dealing with a regime which has ceded enormous legitimacy at home. They brutalized their population the last three months. And I think that rather than making huge concessions to Iran at the moment, we should be treading it very carefully in our talks with them.

KELEMEN: Sadjadpour says the Obama administration should not look too eager or that will play onto the hands of the Iranian government. He believes the decades-old conflict between the U.S. and Iran can't be resolved, just managed. And tomorrow's meeting in Geneva is just a beginning.

Michele Kelemen, NPR News, Washington.

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U.S., Allies Open Nuclear Talks With Iran

Iran's National Security Council chief Saeed Jalili is his country's lead negotiator at talks with the U.S. and other world powers in Geneva. Jalili has a reputation as a hard-liner. Atta Kenare/AFP/Getty Images hide caption

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Iran's National Security Council chief Saeed Jalili is his country's lead negotiator at talks with the U.S. and other world powers in Geneva. Jalili has a reputation as a hard-liner.

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As diplomats from the U.S and other world powers meet with Iranian officials Thursday in Geneva, the main focus for the U.S. and its partners is Iran's nuclear program.

But the two sides could wind up talking at cross-purposes.

While the U.S. and other powers want to press Iran on its nuclear aspirations and uranium-enrichment program, Iranian officials insist that they will not discuss the issue if it veers beyond a general conversation about nuclear technology amid a host of other unrelated topics.

Diplomats from the five permanent members of the U.N. Security Council — the United States, Britain, China, France and Russia — plus Germany are meeting with Iran's top nuclear negotiator.

A senior U.S. official in Geneva called the talks the beginning of an "extraordinarily difficult process."

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State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley said Iran must be willing to address Western suspicions that it is secretly trying to develop nuclear weapons. If Iran is willing, Crowley said the Geneva talks would likely lead to subsequent meetings. If not, the U.S. and key allies could press for tighter economic sanctions against Iran.

Tensions over Iran's nuclear program rose higher last week with the revelation that Iran has been secretly building an underground plant to enrich uranium. President Obama called that facility "a direct challenge" to the nuclear non-proliferation system, and said it shows that Iran is on "a path that is going to lead to confrontation."

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad dismissed that charge as "baseless," and repeated his government's assertions that Iran's nuclear program is for peaceful purposes only.

A Test For Both Sides

On Wednesday, Ahmadinejad said that Tehran views the upcoming talks as a "test" of the major powers' willingness to respect Iran's rights. Iranian officials have said the talks should include a wide range of issues, including the Israeli-Palestinian question and changes in the structure of the U.N. that would distribute power among more countries.

On the eve of the meeting, a senior U.S. official in Geneva said the talks will take place in a series of formal discussions interspersed with informal breaks that allow for the possibility of "sidebar conversations with the Iranians."

That doesn't necessarily mean the U.S. will talk about other issues on the side. The official, who spoke in a background briefing to reporters, said the informal talks could be "an opportunity to reinforce the main concerns that we'll be emphasizing in the meeting."

The official said the first task would be to establish whether the Iranians were really ready to engage on the nuclear issue, including "unfettered access to the Qum site, the clandestine facility," for U.N. inspectors.

"That needs to be the beginning of what the Iranians are required to do — to come clean about their entire nuclear program," the official said.

A Hard-Line Negotiator

Some analysts say Iran's choice of negotiators offers clues about how willing it will be to focus on the nuclear issue. Iran's lead negotiator is the secretary of its National Security Council, Saeed Jalili, 44, a friend and political ally of Ahmadinejad.

"Jalili is essentially an apparatchik, with no real power," say Karim Sadjadpour, an analyst at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. "I think the fact that they're sending Jalili makes it clear that the Iranians, again, are interested in showing up at negotiations, but they're not really interested in negotiating," Sadjadpour told NPR's Michele Kelemen.

"A lot of people like to condemn Jalili as an Ahmadinejad protege and hard to negotiate with," says Hillary Mann Leverett, a former director of Iran and Afghanistan affairs at the National Security Council. Leverett says Jalili "is probably more in line with Ahmadinejad's views, but I think he's not necessarily against a real rapprochement [with the West]."

Leverett, now the head of Stratega, a political risk consulting group, negotiated with Iranian officials from 2001 to 2003 over issues related to the Afghan war and al-Qaida, and she says they were cooperative and capable. "There's a stereotype out there that the Iranians will always lie and cheat and haggle, and there's no basis for that," she says.

Will Failed Talks Lead To Sanctions?

Some analysts predict that the talks will be unproductive and will serve as a catalyst for international sanctions against Iran.

Nicholas Burns, undersecretary of state during the Bush administration, told NPR's Steve Inskeep that he thinks "it's more likely that these talks will break down within a month or two, and that will lead to a sanctions regime in which Russia and China will be key players."

Burns, now a Harvard professor, says the government in Tehran is on the defensive because of internal political unrest and the exposure of its secret uranium-enrichment facility. As a result, he says he is not positive about the outcome of the current talks.

Burns notes that as lead negotiator on Iran between 2005 and early 2008, he was forbidden by government policy to speak officially with Iranian officials. He says that left a serious gap in U.S. knowledge about the Iranian regime.

He told Inskeep, however, that he believes the current negotiations make sense for U.S. interests, if only so that the Obama administration can tell Russia and China that the U.S. tried for a diplomatic solution before resorting to punitive sanctions.

Russia and China, which have strong economic ties to Iran, have been reluctant to impose further sanctions on the Iranian government for its defiance of U.N. resolutions on the nuclear issue.

Leverett says the Obama administration's approach is too rigidly focused on nuclear issues and sanctions. "They will be forced to change course at some point when their policy fails."

Leverett says a real engagement with Iran will take what she calls "unthinkable concessions," including a Western willingness to take part in Iran's nuclear program as a way of ensuring that it has peaceful results. She also says engagement would require the U.S. to reassess its views of organizations that Iran supports, such as Hamas and Hezbollah, and accept them as legitimate political actors in the Middle East.

Sadjadpour says that, if anything, the U.S. needs to take a tougher approach. He told NPR's Kelemen that there is a risk to U.S. engagement with the current Iranian rulers, who cracked down hard on opponents after the disputed presidential election in June.

"There is a danger that we send a message to the Iranian people that we don't care about them," Sadjadpour says. "Many Iranians are saying, 'Don't legitimize this illegitimate government.' "