Minnesota Republican Drops Support for War

Gil Gutknecht is a reliable Republican congressman from Minnesota who has long supported the war effort in Iraq — until recently. Is this an election-year conversion or a real disenchantment with the war? And are fellow republicans following suit?

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Congressman Gil Gutknecht is one of several Republicans who have been publicly critical of the Iraq war. NPR's David Welna visited Gutknecht's home district in southern Minnesota, where the six-term incumbent faces a strong challenge. He's running against a Democrat who's a veteran and also an outspoken critic of the war.

DAVID WELNA reporting:

In June when the House debated a resolution on the Iraq war, Minnesota First District Republican Gil Gutknecht urged his colleagues not to go wobbly, as he put it, on that war. Speaking with NPR outside the House chamber the day that debate ended, Gutknecht argued that with the recent killing of the notorious insurgency leader Abu Musab Al Zarqawi, the U.S. may well have passed the tipping point in overcoming Iraq's insurgency.

Representative GIL GUTKNECHT (Republican, Minnesota): You can't know all the facts when you get involved in something like this. But I think even the facts today demonstrate that we did the right thing and are doing the right thing.

WELNA: But Gutknecht was decidedly less upbeat about that war speaking last week back in his district.

Representative GUTKNECHT: The war in Iraq is a frustration for everyone and I know more and more people are turning sour on the war.

NAYLOR: Gutknecht himself has soured on the war. The turning point, he says, came when he traveled to Iraq in July along with two other House Republicans.

Representative GUTKNECHT: We all came back with the same view and that is that things in Baghdad are much worse than we had been led to believe. And that's not to say that we were being misled. But I think there was an impression among out intelligence officials and at the Pentagon that once Zarqawi was taken down, things were going to improve dramatically. That has not been the case.

NAYLOR: In fact, Gutknecht calls the security situation in Iraq worse now than it was three and a half years ago. Without setting a deadline, he says there has to be a plan for putting Iraqis in charge of that nation's security.

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NAYLOR: As a crowd gathered for a field hearing on healthcare that Gutknecht held last week in the Owatonna, Minnesota, Marilyn Durenberger(ph) of nearby Mankato, who calls herself an independent conservative, was supportive of Gutknecht's change of heart on Iraq.

Ms. MARILYN DURENBERGER (Resident, Mankato, Minnesota): I don't see anything wrong with changing a person's opinion. When you get different facts, when the facts change.

NAYLOR: But Scott Peterson(ph), a Republican body shop owner in Mapleton, Minnesota, said Gutknecht seemed to be succumbing to those who wanted U.S. troops out of Iraq.

Mr. SCOTT PETERSON (Resident, Mapleton, Minnesota): I think there's going to be lots of pressure from outside sources. I mean, that's my opinion. That they should stick it out and wait until the time is appropriate.

NAYLOR: In fact it probably would have been better for Gutknecht as a vulnerable Republican just to stick to local issues, according to University of Minnesota political scientist Lawrence Jacobs.

Mr. LAWRENCE JACOBS (University of Minnesota): What Gutknecht did by his trip to Iraq and then his mea culpa is really to nationalize this race, and that's going to make it much more difficult for him coming down the home stretch in what should be a safe race for him.

NAYLOR: And it's not clear how safe that race is anymore.

Mr. TIM WALZ (Democrat, Minnesota): For those of you who don't know me, I'm Tim Walz. I'm a public school teacher.

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Mr. WALZ: And I'm also the guy who is beating Gil Gutknect in the First Congressional District.

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NAYLOR: Gutknect's Democratic challenger, Tim Walz, campaigned last week at the Minnesota State Fair. Besides being a high school geography teacher and coach, Walz spent 24 years in the Army National Guard and retired last year as a Command Sergeant Major, the Guard's highest enlisted rank.

In an interview, he was both scornful and supportive when asked about Gutknecht's newfound opposition to the Bush administration's Iraq policy.

Mr. WALZ: What I told him, and I looked him in the eye when we had a little forum at the Farm Fest, was that I'm not going to make political hay out of that. If he's found and searched his soul and understands what I've been saying on this thing, that this is wrong, then that's where this will go. It will go in a positive direction. Because this is far bigger than he and I.

NAYLOR: It's not clear yet whether Congressman Gutknecht has neutralized Iraq as a campaign issue by joining the war's critics. Tom Horner, who advises GOP candidates in Minnesota, says Gutknecht may still fall victim to widespread disillusionment with the party in power.

Mr. TOM HORNER (Republican Advisor, Minnesota): If it is a huge backlash to Republicans in Congress, to the Bush administration, Tim Walz is the kind of Democratic candidate, the First District is the kind of District, that could go Democratic.

NAYLOR: Whichever way it goes, voters in the First District will have a representative in Washington who's openly critical of the Iraq war.

David Welna, NPR News.

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Congress Returns to Pre-Election Lawmaking

Congress will return to work Tuesday after a five-week break and with Election Day just two months away. President Bush called Monday for lawmakers to make tax cuts permanent, but it's unlikely that Congress will finish any substantive work until after the November elections.

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From NPR News, this is ALL THINGS CONSIDERED. I'm Melissa Block.

Congress returns from its summer break tomorrow and with midterm elections just two months away the political season is heating up. There are several important issues on Congress' agenda. President Bush today urged lawmakers to make temporary tax cuts permanent, though with control of the House and Senate up for grabs in November, any real legislative progress seems unlikely.

NPR's Brian Naylor reports.

BRIAN NAYLOR reporting:

The president traveled to Piney Point in southern Maryland where he spoke at a training school run by the Seafarer's International Union. The president noted the 4.7 percent unemployment rate, which he said means, in his words, people are working in the United States. He said for the economy to remain strong, Congress should make tax cuts permanent.

President GEORGE W. BUSH: We want people working. We want people to realize their dreams. And so the best thing to do is to keep pro-growth economic policies in place as the first step to making sure we're the most powerful economy in the world, and I think that means keeping those taxes low. Letting you keep more of the old money. See, when you have more money in your pocket you get to spend the money.

NAYLOR: The president also called for less reliance on imported oil and put in a plug for nuclear energy, which he said was safe, clean and renewable. Despite the president's comments today, Congress is expected to pay scant attention to issues such as energy or taxes. Rather, it's national security and defense that will dominate the agenda.

Republicans hope their traditional though narrowing edge over Democrats on those issues will allow them to hang on to their Congressional majority in the face of growing unease with the war in Iraq. There will be debates over spending on defense and homeland security. GOP leaders are also expected to schedule a vote to authorize the president's domestic wiretapping program, highlighting Democratic opposition to what the GOP considers a crucial tool in the war on terrorism.

One of the most endangered GOP Senate incumbents, Republican Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania has already tried to make it an issue in his race against Democrat Bob Casey, who opposes the surveillance program. The two appeared on NBC's Meet the Press yesterday. Here's Santorum.

Senator RICK SANTORUM (Republican, Pennsylvania): Your the one who's gone out and said that you have serious questions about our intelligence surveillance programs. What do you think has kept our people safe? What do you think stopped the British attack? You folks have been the party, as you have been the party, of making sure that we don't have the intelligence gathering capabilities that we need. And have joined in making sure -

Mr. BOB CASEY (Democrat, Pennsylvania): Rick, you're not debating the party. You're debating me right here.

Senator SANTORUM: I'm debating you.

Mr. CASEY: Yes.

Senator SANTORUM: And I've looked at your comments saying that you have serious concerns about our surveillance programs. I don't.

NAYLOR: Democrats are expected to counter with attacks on the Bush administration's conduct of the war in Iraq. They'll try to force a vote of no confidence in Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld. Democrats will also be attempting to tie Republicans to the politically unpopular president, as Casey did to Santorum in yesterday's debate.

Mr. CASEY: When you have two politicians in Washington that agree 98 percent of the time, one of them is really not necessary. We could have a machine have that kind of vote. We need someone who's going to be truly independent, who has the character and the integrity to stand up to his party and his president, especially in a time of war.

NAYLOR: That's a line Democrats will be using often in Pennsylvania and other battleground states this fall.

Brian Naylor, NPR News, Washington.

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