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MADELEINE BRAND, host:

Back now with DAY TO DAY.

We heard earlier from California's Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger about his efforts to be a green governor. Seems it's one of those weeks, when the whole world has been trying to prove how green it is. Last weekend was the Live Earth concerts around the world.

And then there's that Al Gore pledge; it's making its way around the Internet, sign on to the seven points to protest global warming. Joining me for a slightly more irreverent take on all this green are Frangela - is Frangela, are Frangela?

Ms. FRANCES COLLIER: Well, Frangela is two people.

(Soundbite of laughter)

BRAND: Right here with me now, Frances Callier and Angela Shelton are comedic translators of current events. Hi.

Ms. FRANCES CALLIER (Comedienne): Thank you.

Ms. ANGELA SHELTON (Comedienne): Thank you very much for using our correct title.

BRAND: There's a lot of criticism about this concert.

Ms. SHELTON: Right.

BRAND: You've got Madonna up there. You've got some other stars, Cameron Diaz talking about using paper and not plastic, or whatever she's talking about. And it just seems to be so fashionable, so hip. Do you think it can of kind backfire, in a way?

Ms. CALLIER: Well, you know, I think, first of all, let me say I'm grateful for any time that Cameron Diaz isn't acting. So right off the bat I'd like to thank the Live Earth people for that.

Ms. SHELTON: Yes.

Ms. CALLIER: You know, because she could have been doing a movie.

Ms. SHELTON: Right.

Ms. CALLIER: All right, so they saved us all from some trouble - and some efforts, some environmental effort.

Ms. SHELTON: Right.

Ms. CALLIER: But - so that was one thing they did right. I think what's hard for people to get about a concert like that is you're not sure of the connection between the two things. You know, it's like how does Lenny Kravitz singing "Let Love Rule" help the environment?

Ms. SHELTON: Yes, how does it help in the ozone? Just tell me how to get from Point A to Point B on that one.

BRAND: Well, you know, they say it's about raising awareness.

Ms. SHELTON: Yes.

Ms. CALLIER: Right.

BRAND: And that people might go home and think, okay, I'll separate my garbage, or I will change my light bulb, or I will walk instead of drive.

Ms. CALLIER: Right.

Ms. SHELTON: Yeah.

Ms. CALLIER: You know, I think that, you know, when we look at, you know, the world, right, like and you hear about global warming, like what can I do? You know, and they tell you watch a concert. That doesn't really make sense, you know. And so you try to do things, like I had my little shopping bags, you know, my little fabric shopping bags, I take them to the grocery store. You know, half the time I do forget them in the car.

Ms. SHELTON: Right.

Ms. CALLIER: And I am too lazy to walk back out, I will admit that I'm too lazy to walk back out to the car and get them.

Ms. SHELTON: Mine needs to be washed and so I don't want to take them into the store because then I feel all so embarrassed.

Ms. CALLIER: Yeah, I tell you...

BRAND: Yeah, they have to look good, too. Right.

Ms. CALLIER: Exactly.

BRAND: Well, here's the problem, right? You've got to consume more to actually be environmentally conscious. Or at least look like you're being environmentally conscious.

Ms. CALLIER: You know what we need to do about the environment? They need a big black mama. We need the big black mama to step up and tell the truth. And the truth is we are going to have to change what we do.

Ms. SHELTON: Yes.

Ms. CALLIER: Period. That's the - that's the truth. I'm sorry.

Ms. SHELTON: We're going to have some lifestyle changes here, okay.

Ms. CALLIER: Right. And that's one of the arguments that like the people who don't want to deal with global warming will throw out, is that, oh, the lifestyle changes are too dramatic. Scientists are predicting by, what is it, 2050? Which is not that far away, okay? That most of the world would be out of fresh water, large parts of the world, especially Africa - that's a problem. You can't just go get an Aquafina in Namibia, you know what I mean?

Ms. SHELTON: No, you can't.

Ms. CALLIER: You can't get Arrowhead...

Ms. SHELTON: No, you can't deliver it.

Ms. CALLIER: You know, in Darfur. That's not how that works.

Ms. SHELTON: (Unintelligible) deliver guys don't come to your front door. That's not going to be good. What people don't want to hear is that we have to sacrifice a little bit, you know. We want to put a price tag on being green.

BRAND: Right.

Ms. SHELTON: And being able to go out and buy the green thing. But maybe if we just bought a little less.

Ms. CALLIER: Yeah, like, do we have to spend $250 on - what is it? - a biodegradable Armani shirt, or you know, eco-friendly Levi's? We don't have a choice. But we have to do things differently. I'm not so sure that concert Live Earth did. I don't know if they were able to communicate that imperative.

Ms. SHELTON: But you got to - but you do get to see some of your favorite, you know...

Ms. CALLIER: Oh yeah.

Ms. SHELTON: ...artists. And they talked about it.

Ms. CALLIER: Madonna looked good.

Ms. SHELTON: Yeah, and you know...

Ms. CALLIER: Madonna looked really good.

Ms. SHELTON: Let me tell you something, for a large population of the world, if Madonna says do it, then some of us may do it.

Ms. CALLIER: That's true.

Ms. SHELTON: (Unintelligible) way like that.

BRAND: You are? So do you think there's that one thing that you parted recently that you're like, okay, I could do that?

Ms. SHELTON: Yeah.

Ms. CALLIER: No, we have an internal Frangela debate about paper towels.

BRAND: Really?

Ms. CALLIER: Yes.

Ms. SHELTON: Yes. I have not used paper towels, bought, purchased paper towels. I can't say not used them.

Ms. CALLIER: Yeah, because you use them at my house.

Ms. SHELTON: I do.

(Soundbite of laughter)

Ms. CALLIER: You use them at my house...

Ms. SHELTON: I do. I do.

Ms. CALLIER: Trying to sound all green at NPR.

(Soundbite of laughter)

Ms. CALLIER: Come over to my house, there's a roll of paper towels.

Ms. SHELTON: I do. I use them, it's horrible. But I haven't bought them for, like, 10 years, right?

BRAND: That's like people who don't smoke, but then bum cigarettes from people.

Ms. SHELTON: I know, I know, I know it's so bad. It's so bad, but they're so wonderful and absorbent and then you can throw them away.

Ms. CALLIER: I know, but it's horrible. I do - I'm like I've got to stop - I gotta start using rags.

Ms. SHELTON: Yeah.

BRAND: Yeah.

Ms. CALLIER: You know, it's just - if we all did some stuff like that, that would be helpful.

BRAND: Okay. So what do you make of all this? You know, it's so fashionable to go green - buying a Prius, buying a Lexus hybrid.

Ms. CALLIER: There was a time when if you were interested in the environment, you couldn't be, like, cool.

Ms. SHELTON: No, no, no.

Ms. CALLIER: And you had to ride a bike, like, everywhere.

BRAND: Right.

Ms. SHELTON: But now you can be eco-sexy. Hot, yeah.

(Soundbite of laughter)

BRAND: Well, Arnold Schwarzenegger, there you go.

Ms. SHELTON: There you go.

BRAND: Speaking of larger than life. Al Gore.

Ms. SHELTON: When did Al Gore become hip? It's crazy.

Ms. CALLIER: I think he found a way to get us all interested in something that we've been trying desperately not to pay attention to.

Ms. SHELTON: Yes. We've been trying to keep those blinders on; we were like, you know, it's the same issue like, you know, when we didn't want to put our seat belts and what have you, but now...

Ms. CALLIER: Right, right. We didn't want to desegregate the schools.

Ms. SHELTON: Right.

BRAND: All those little things.

Ms. CALLIER: All those little changes.

Ms. SHELTON: Right, right. But now we are aware of our environment, and thank you, Al Gore.

BRAND: Well, Frangela, thanks so much for coming in.

Ms. SHELTON: Thank you for having us.

Ms. CALLIER: Thank you.

BRAND: Frances Callier and Angela Shelton are comedic translators of current events.

Ms. CALLIER: That's right.

BRAND: I like that title.

Ms. CALLIER: Well, you know what, we had to (unintelligible) really.

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