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And I'm Robert Siegel. The art of the piano is a study in evolution of an instrument and of a human talent. Among us, there have been a rare few whose gifts included the physical dexterity, the innate musicality and the creativity to make the instrument sound brilliant. Mozart did it first.


SIEGEL: More recently, as Stuart Isacoff notes in his new book, jazz great Oscar Peterson did it.


SIEGEL: Stuart Isacoff's book is called "A Natural History of the Piano." And he joins us from New York. Welcome to the program.

STUART ISACOFF: Thanks so much, Robert.

SIEGEL: And what do you mean by natural history?

ISACOFF: I was searching for connections between different eras, different genres of music. Normally, things are viewed in these little segmented boxes. There's classical, and then there's jazz, romantic, and then there's baroque and so on. And I find that very dissatisfying. So I was trying to find the thread that connects one type of music, one type of musician to another and to follow that thread in some kind of a natural, evolutionary way.

SIEGEL: So like a good naturalist, as any botanist might do, you divided the great composers for piano and great pianists into four subspecies. And I'd like to go over them with you now.


SIEGEL: The first one is called the combustibles, who include Beethoven...


SIEGEL: ...Beethoven's student's student, Franz Liszt...


SIEGEL: ...and their not entirely obvious classmate, Jerry Lee Lewis.


SIEGEL: Wonderful piano part from...


SIEGEL: ...from "Great Balls of Fire." So what are these combustibles about? What do they have in common?

ISACOFF: Well, in order to come up with these categories, I looked to the sound of the piano itself.


ISACOFF: You begin with a strike of the hammer against the string, and it's kind of percussive. That's followed by a soaring, singing-like sound. It's pinched a little bit. We have a sound in the piano that tuners refer to as beating. It's a kind of a wah-wah-wah. Combine all of this with the great dynamic range of the instrument, and you have the possible combinations of sound in any particular style. And so with the combustibles, there's music that simmers and explodes, and these composers all share that quality.

SIEGEL: Next come the people you call alchemists, and there are pretty obvious connections here. They include the jazz pianist Bill Evans. This is his song "Waltz for Debbie."


SIEGEL: And the French composer Claude Debussy.


SIEGEL: Why alchemists?

ISACOFF: Well, because they create these sort of elixirs of sound, and their main aspect seems to be to transport us to another place. Debussy focused on this idea because he was part of a group in Paris that was interested in taking ideas put forward by poets like Baudelaire, for example, that sound and color and fragrance should all mingle together.

SIEGEL: Synesthesia.

ISACOFF: Synesthesia. And this comes through in the music, I think. It takes us to another kind of world.


SIEGEL: Next group are the rhythmitizers. These are mostly jazz and Latin pianists, but probably the greatest among them, Art Tatum.


SIEGEL: Art Tatum's jazz piano playing stunned classical pianists, as you write about it.

ISACOFF: I described his playing as an imaginary tennis game on the keyboard between the two hands, where they're firing blistering ground strokes at each other.


ISACOFF: The technique was phenomenal. He scared every pianist who came into contact with him.

SIEGEL: There actually are a few incidents that you write about in the course of the history of piano playing when there actually were competitions, when two guys would square off, one would challenge the other to play piano.

ISACOFF: There's a long history of that. In the jazz world, we know these as cutting contests, but this tradition also exists in the classical world. There are famous battles and almost battles. For example, poor Louis Marchand, the composer, who challenged Bach to a duel, and these are often improvisation contests. Marchand heard Bach practicing the night before the duel and quickly fled town.


ISACOFF: There's the one contest in which Daniel Steibelt, composer famous for creating storms on the piano - that is these tremolos that imitated the blowing of winds and hurricanes and all - challenged Beethoven. And he went first, took a piece of his music, tossed it aside. And in response, Beethoven picked up that piece of music, placed it upside-down on the piano and began playing Steibelt's music upside-down, ornamented it, varied it. And Steibelt also decided that he would never return to Vienna after that.


SIEGEL: Now, the fourth group of pianists, whom you write about, and composers for piano is a sweeping category of melodists. This category includes Robert Schumann...


SIEGEL: ...and also, for example, George Gershwin.


SIEGEL: The melodists, they're a class unto themselves?

ISACOFF: You know, not to get too complicated, but I also relate these categories to the foundational elements of the world: that is air, fire, water and earth. The melodists, to me, are the water element, and the flow, the arabesques, the lovely, lilting shapes of notes formed into melodies. They represent a category all their own, really.

SIEGEL: Stuart Isacoff, you play piano?

ISACOFF: Yes, I do.

SIEGEL: Can pianists who are less than Schumann and Debussy, can you have a category? Could you think of yourself as a combustible or a melodist, or is that something that only the greats warrant?

ISACOFF: Well, even the greats don't really warrant these categories, I'm sorry to say. But I try to make clear that these are useful, but that no great artist can fit into only one category. They all have a bit of everything in them. And I think the same is probably true even for amateurs. People have certain inclinations - that is, to be very analytical and heady or very emotive and so on, and that these come out in different ways, depending on the player, so that the same piece and even the same piano can sound very different depending on whose hands are being placed on it.


SIEGEL: Well, Stuart Isacoff, thanks a lot for talking with us about your book. It was great fun.

ISACOFF: Robert, it's been a great pleasure. Thank you.

SIEGEL: The book is called "A Natural History of the Piano: The Instrument, The Music, The Musicians - From Mozart to Modern Jazz, and Everything in Between."

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