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Every Wednesday on this program we hear from sportswriter Frank Deford. He's been writing about sports for about half a century. And like many an athlete, he keeps working his way toward one more season.

FRANK DEFORD: Most guys hang on as long as they could. To use me as an analogy, I'm hanging on to writing as long as I possibly can, until, you know, they put me away.

INSKEEP: We were talking about this on stage. A couple hundred people joined our conservation at the Sixth and I Historic Synagogue, a performance space here in Washington, D.C.


INSKEEP: Well, I want you to feel comfortable like it's a normal morning, a normal broadcast. So what I'm going to do is I'm just going to introduce Frank very briefly. And then he's going to rant about something for three minutes.


INSKEEP: And then we're going to go and do the regular traffic and weather, and whatever, that we...


INSKEEP: ...that we have to deal with.

Actually, I had many more than three minutes worth of questions. We were talking of a long and eventful life. Deford's hair is gray now, but he still has the imposing height of a one-time high school basketball player. He's written a memoir called "Over Time, My Life as a Sportswriter." Those who know him for his work on MORNING EDITION may not realize that Deford started writing for Sports Illustrated in the early 1960s. He became one of the most admired sportswriters of his era.

He did that, not so much by focusing on the games, but on details that revealed the character of the people who played them. Deford never wanted to be a sports beat reporter, covering the same team for every single game all season.

DEFORD: I had great admiration for those guys, because the hardest thing in the world is to write something critical about someone and then show up the next day in the locker room. I mean that is not fun and that takes an awful lot of guts. And I never enjoyed that. I remember one time I wrote something very, very critical about Wilt Chamberlain. The next time I saw him - and Wilt was not a man, as huge as he was, he was not a man of confrontation.

And we were in the Lakers locker room and he sent Jerry West over. And he said, Frank, Wilt would like you to leave.


DEFORD: And let me tell you, I've been around a lot of tall, big guys. But there was something about Chamberlain, the sense of size which was just absolutely extraordinary. And I became friends with him later - and I didn't have to leave the locker room, the press had the right to be there. I said, OK, Jerry, and I made a very quick exit.

And, by the way, when I went by Wilt, he dropped his eyes. Like I said, he's not confrontational. But that's the sort of thing that a beat writer has to do a lot of, and I never could have done that.

INSKEEP: How - this gets to somebody's character. How could somebody who's avoiding confrontation like that, in an ordinary situation, be out on the basketball court pushing and shoving and contending with people the way you'd have to do?

DEFORD: My experience is that the big guys - and I'm talking about any sport - don't feel the need to be tough guys. It's the little, feisty guys. They're the ones - the little bull - little terriers.


DEFORD: They're the ones who are going to be - they feel like they've got to, you know, puff their chest up and so forth. I think of Billy Martin, most classically, for example.

INSKEEP: Manager of the Yankees and...

DEFORD: Manager of the Yankees and every other team.


DEFORD: And Billy did have a problem with the demon rum. But it's interesting that when he drank too much, the meanness came out in him. Obviously I'm stereotyping 'cause there are a lot of big guys who are tough and a lot of little guys who are sweet. But generally speaking, that's definitely the case.

INSKEEP: I feel like you are describing relationships with players, coaches, managers -that are different perhaps than sportswriters would have today. You see these personal glimpses that are...

DEFORD: Oh, I was, oh so lucky. The chance that you got in those days, to get close to athletes, is so much more than the writers get today. Just a simple thing, if you watch television, at the end of the game now, the manager will be shown now in what amounts to a press conference. He sits there with a bottle of water next to him, and a microphone and a PR guy.

When I was covering games, and this is back in the '60s, and you'd go into the manager's office. I can still visualize Earl Weaver from the Baltimore Orioles - again, one of those little, feisty little guys. I can just see Earl now in his underwear...


DEFORD: ...with a beer in one hand and a cigarette in the other, holding court. And that was the way it was done then. And you could sit and chat...

INSKEEP: Some things are better today...


DEFORD: And chat forever. And by the way, you said in the beginning, you know, pretend that, you know, I'm here giving a three-minute rant. And I'm looking out and everybody has their clothes on. Usually people tell me they're undressed when they listen to me in the morning.


DEFORD: So this is very unusual.

INSKEEP: If anyone wants to go get a bathrobe and come back...


INSKEEP: ... they should feel welcome.

DEFORD: I actually was at a very fancy college not too long ago. And at the reception ahead of time, the college president - a very vivacious, very attractive and very loud woman - spotted me across the room and said: Oh, Frank, this is the first time I've ever heard you with my clothes on.


DEFORD: And there were a few (unintelligible) like that. So it's nice to see everyone dressed listening to me, and not only of if brushing your teeth or otherwise performing your morning ablutions. So this is great.

INSKEEP: Frank Deford, his memoir is "Over Time." In it, he tells a story of asking two great golfers about a tournament from years before. It was revealing, he writes, that loser seemed to have blocked out his memory of the tournament, while the winner recalled every detail.

So maybe it revealed something about Frank Deford's sportswriting life, that he seems to remember everything. And you can hear him read that passage at

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