SCOTT SIMON, HOST:
Kati Marton's new book is called "Paris: A Love Story." But it's really more of a book about love, and loss, than Paris. Kati Marton's best-selling books include "Enemies of the People," "My Family's Journey to America." She's also been a correspondent for ABC News and NPR. She's written about her remarkable parents, who were reporters in Hungary and Holocaust survivors, who came to the United States following the uprising in Budapest.
Yet Kati Marton's name has also appeared in columns over the years because she was married to Peter Jennings, the late ABC anchor, for almost 15 years. Peter Jennings died in 2005. And Kati Marton was married to Richard Holbrooke, the esteemed diplomat, for 15 years, until his death in 2010. Many of her happiest and most vexing moments were spent with those men in Paris. Kati Marton joins us now from New York. Thanks so much for being with us.
KATI MARTON: Thanks for having me, Scott.
SIMON: You have the love of your family, as you describe it in this book. But to lose these two men you loved, and were with in such quick succession, just sounds unbearable. And I wonder if writing the book is a way of helping to bear that load.
MARTON: Definitely, Scott. This has been a healing experience, writing this. And it's also made solid presences out of the missing people in my life - Richard, particularly, because of course, I spent the last 17 years of my life with Richard, who was a one-of-a-kind personality. He was also a very good husband, and a very loving one. And our love story, which I chronicle in "Paris: A Love Story," began in Paris as I was fleeing my failing marriage to Peter Jennings.
SIMON: Richard Holbrooke was famously brilliant, could be blustery; emphatic, passionate, opinionated. And I wonder what - I mean, he had this famous manner for upbraiding Slobodan Milosevic or puncturing bureaucrats, and I wonder if that ever - if I may - came into your marriage.
MARTON: Oh, sure. He had extremely high standards for himself, and for his wife and...
SIMON: I guess what I mean is, did you ever look at him across the table and say, don't treat me like Hamid Karzai.
MARTON: You know what? (Laughter) Richard was - extremely calming influence on me. I've got a pretty quick, Hungarian temper, and he just had such a way of deflating my emotional outbursts. He was actually one of the calmest in-crisis people that I've ever known. And you know, I describe, in the book, being with him when he was negotiating the end of the war in Bosnia, and principally in Dayton.
SIMON: He put you between - is it Begovich and Milosevic, at dinner.
MARTON: Yes, and gave me a very easy assignment. He said, make them talk to each other. And of course, you know, a few days before, these two warlords had been trying to gouge out each other's eyes. So that was a challenge.
SIMON: I'm very touched in the book, to read - when Richard fell ill suddenly, at the State Department, I was touched by the calls you received from people he was supposed to be at odds with - President Karzai, of Afghanistan, President Zardari, of Pakistan. Those calls were just very thoughtful. What do you think touched them about Richard Holbrooke?
MARTON: Well, I think they understood that he was throwing himself, body and soul, into the work. And I was attending Mass with my friend Samantha Power, and Karzai's call came through. So I stepped outside and after 17 years with Holbrooke, I knew better than to waste a moment with a man that he was trying to negotiate with. So I said to him: Mr. President, for Richard, Afghanistan is more than an assignment. He's absolutely passionate about your country, and about your people; and committed to finding some kind of a solution to this.
And I thought I heard emotion when he said, "We need him back here." And that, followed by - a nanosecond later - by a call from the president of Pakistan, Asif Zardari. He said, "Kati, I told him he was overdoing it. He was traveling to the most awful places, and crawling inside those tents in refugee camps. And I told him, 'Richard, you're not as young as you think.' " And so it was a real human-to-human conversation. And whatever anybody says about President Zardari's weaknesses, for me, he was a human being.
SIMON: Well, what's in here - in your story - that people can take comfort from, and learn from, in all of our lives?
MARTON: This is a book about trying to grab onto life after loss and - because I have a keener sense now than ever, of how elusive life is and how you can't count on anything; and how important it is to live in the present. And I hope that my readers will also draw comfort from the fact that there are other lives beyond the one that one loses.
SIMON: Kati Marton's new book is "Paris: A Love Story." She joined us from New York. Thanks so much for being with us.
MARTON: It's been a real pleasure, Scott. Thanks for talking to me.
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