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One of the key players in the fiscal cliff drama has been virtually invisible to the public. Even in Washington, you might be met with a blank stare if you mention his name. We're talking about White House chief of staff Jack Lew. Here's NPR's Mara Liasson now on the role Lew has been playing behind the scenes.

MARA LIASSON, BYLINE: If President Obama has one person to thank for being in the catbird seat on the fiscal cliff talks it's Jack Lew. The president's chief of staff and possible pick to be the next Treasury secretary finessed the August 2011 deal that set up the automatic across-the-board tax hikes and spending cuts that both sides are now scrambling to avoid, especially the Republicans.

NEWT GINGRICH: The way they wrote the cliff a year and a half ago was strategically a victory for Obama, and that's just a fact.

LIASSON: That's former House speaker Newt Gingrich.

GINGRICH: They wrote it in a way that he ends up having all the advantages in the fight right now.

LIASSON: Those 2011 negotiations over the debt ceiling turned out badly for the president. He got no grand bargain, the nation nearly defaulted on its debts, and the president himself was widely perceived to have caved in to Republican demands. But the deal that came out of it was designed to put Mr. Obama in a better negotiating position if he won reelection.

Now that he has, he's enjoying the benefits, says Jared Bernstein, the former top economic aide to Vice President Biden.

JARED BERNSTEIN: The White House was very forward-looking and strategic in the way they shaped the sequester. This is a very tough situation for Republicans, in no small part because of the skill of the negotiators from the Democrats' side.

LIASSON: For instance, making sure that programs like Medicare, Pell grants or food stamps are not on the chopping block when the automatic sequester acts falls. Instead, it's defense spending and the Bush-era tax cuts that are at risk, things that are Republican priorities. Bernstein says Jack Lew gets a lot of the credit for that.

BERNSTEIN: Jack Lew's fingerprints are all over the parts of this sequester that protect vulnerable people, whether it's exempting the entitlements or many of the things that help low-income families. One of the things Jack always deeply understood was just how important that role of government is for people who are retirees, for people who are poor, for people who aren't connected to the economy and the market in the way that a lot of Republicans envision everybody is, but they're really not.

LIASSON: Lew has had years of experience toiling in the fiscal trenches. Newt Gingrich, who as speaker negotiated the historic balanced budget agreement with Bill Clinton in the 1990s, says Lew's experience gave Democrats an edge.

GINGRICH: On their side, they have somebody who's playing chess, and on our side we're wavering between tic-tac-toe and checkers. He knows so much and he's been through this so often, he can think about three and four permutations down the road.

LIASSON: Before he was White House chief of staff, Lew was President Obama's budget director, a job he'd also held in the Clinton White House. After he left the Clinton administration, he followed the well-worn path from White House to Wall Street. But his experience as an investment banker didn't help him with Republicans when he returned to Washington to work for Mr. Obama.

During the debt ceiling negotiations, House Republican leaders said they found Lew impossible to work with, rigid and arrogant. Jared Bernstein says there was discord, but he interprets it a little differently.

BERNSTEIN: There was a time during these negotiations where Representatives Boehner and Cantor said to the president, we don't want to negotiate with Jack Lew anymore, we want to negotiate with Tim Geithner. Now, Tim Geithner is a guy I like and respect also, but to me that just kind of elevates Jack Lew's negotiating skills because he was being a little too tough on his opposition there for their liking.

LIASSON: Because the fiscal cliff negotiations are at a sensitive stage and because Lew may be nominated to be the next Treasury secretary, the White House decided not to make him available for an interview. But it's clear he retains the same strong support from the president as he did when Mr. Obama named him chief of staff.

PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: Jack's economic advice has been invaluable and he has my complete trust, both because of his mastery of the numbers but because of the values behind those numbers.

LIASSON: In Lew's tidy White House office, there are mementos from 30 years of bipartisan negotiations, including the balanced budget deal between Bill Clinton and Newt Gingrich and the Social Security deal of the 1980s between Lew's old boss, Tip O'Neill, and Ronald Reagan. That was the deal that eventually raises the Social Security retirement age to 67.

Lew is clearly proud of those deals, but he'd be even prouder if he manages to move the current negotiations to a deal worth celebrating. Mara Liasson, NPR News, Washington.

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