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Obama Team To Make Important, If Symbolic, Choice On Gay Marriage
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Obama Team To Make Important, If Symbolic, Choice On Gay Marriage
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AUDIE CORNISH, HOST:

From NPR News, this is ALL THINGS CONSIDERED. I'm Audie Cornish.

ROBERT SIEGEL, HOST:

I'm Robert Siegel. And we begin this hour with the fight over gay marriage and the tricky legal and political questions it now poses for President Obama. By the end of February, his administration is expected to file not one, but two briefs in a pair of same-sex marriage cases heading to the Supreme Court. Of those, the Proposition 8 case from California poses the toughest questions.

So tough, in fact, that the president, himself, is expected to make the final decision on what arguments to make. NPR legal affairs correspondent Nina Totenberg walks us through his options.

NINA TOTENBERG, BYLINE: Proposition 8 is the California ballot initiative banning same-sex marriage. It was narrowly approved by state voters in 2008. A federal district court struck down the law as unconstitutional discrimination and a federal appeals court ruled it invalid on narrower grounds. The state, under both Republican and Democratic governors, has declined to defend the law in court. So, Prop 8 is being defended by its sponsors.

And the question is, what, if anything, the Obama administration will say about the issues in the case. The administration doesn't have to file any brief because the case doesn't involve federal law. But administration sources say the government will. And in this case, much more than most, there are numerous legal routes the government can take.

The ultimate question is whether same-sex couples have a constitutional right to marry. A decision that says yes to that would invalidate laws in more than 30 states. But there are many avenues short of that argument that would invalidate Proposition 8 in California and leave laws in other states intact. What makes this even dicier is that President Obama has changed his position, seemingly a lot, over the last eight months.

In May, in this ABC interview, he, for the first time, endorsed same-sex marriage from a personal point of view, but went on to say that the decision on legalizing gay marriage should be left to the states, where marriage matters are traditionally governed.

(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED INTERVIEW)

PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: It is important for me to go ahead and affirm that I think same-sex couples should be able to get married. And I continue to believe that this is an issue that is going to be worked out at the local level, because historically this has not been a federal issue.

TOTENBERG: But in January, at his inauguration, the president seemed to take a more expansive view.

OBAMA: Our journey is not complete until our gay brothers and sisters are treated like anyone else under the law. For if we are truly created equal, then surely the love we commit to one another must be equal as well.

TOTENBERG: That language clearly suggests a more basic constitutional right to marry, analogous to the right enunciated in the 1967 Supreme Court ruling that struck down laws barring interracial marriage. In that case, ironically, the federal government took no position in the Supreme Court. So what will the president do now that he faces similar questions in a case about sex and not race?

His administration could make a bold, full-throated defense of the right to marry, an argument that Obama seemed to suggest at his inaugural. Or it could argue a number of lesser positions - that California, having extended the right to marry to gay couples for a window of time, could not revoke the right. Or that California, like some other states, has a law extending all the rights that heterosexual married couples have to same-sex couples, but not marriage, and that such a distinction amounts to discrimination.

Or it could argue that since the state is not defending the law, the case does not belong in court at all. For the gay community, and for those advocating traditional marriage between a man and a woman, the position the government takes in this case is hugely important, if nothing else, as a symbol. Still, same-sex marriage advocates are maintaining a pretty studied public silence, hoping to avoid the impression that the administration is being pressured.

Lawyers who argue regularly before the court are not so sure it will make a big difference to the justices. Former Bush administration solicitor general, Paul Clement, was hired by the House Republican leadership to defend the federal Defense of Marriage Act, known as DOMA, which is paired with the Prop 8 case.

PAUL CLEMENT: As a former solicitor general, I'm never going to tell you that the solicitor general's position doesn't matter. It always matters. But here, I think it matters less because we already know what their position is on DOMA and one can extrapolate.

TOTENBERG: The administration has refused to defend DOMA, contending that it is unconstitutional because the law bars benefits for legally married same-sex couples, benefits that are automatically provided to legally married heterosexual couples. Supreme Court advocate Tom Goldstein, publisher of the leading Supreme Court blog, makes a different point.

He notes that in a truly historic case like these, some briefs are aimed at more than one audience.

TOM GOLDSTEIN: And I think part of what's going on, the inaugural address and part of what would happen in a brief like that is a statement about what is morally right and wrong. And so I think it could matter to Americans much more than it matters to the Supreme Court.

TOTENBERG: Nina Totenberg, NPR News, Washington.

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