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The Supreme Court's decision this week clearing the way for same-sex marriages to resume in California applied only to that state. The court dodged any nation-wide ruling on same-sex marriage, but the high court's action left in tact the 2010 decision by federal judge Vaughn Walker striking down the state's ban on same-sex marriage. Late yesterday, NPR legal affairs correspondent Nina Totenberg talked to Judge Walker, who has now retired from the bench.

NINA TOTENBERG, BYLINE: Walker got word of the court's decision early in the morning California time.

VAUGHN WALKER: I was at the gym on the treadmill and the television set was on. So I was working up a sweat for reasons other than Proposition 8.

TOTENBERG: With a few days now to consider the court's ruling, Walker has concluded that the Supreme Court's conservatives did not have five votes to prevail on the merits of the case. In short, that if the court had ruled directly on whether states act constitutionally in banning same-sex marriage, the answer would have been no. So, instead, the court declared it had no jurisdiction to decide the issue. As walker sees it, Justice Antonin Scalia's vote to dodge the issue tells the story.

WALKER: The fact that Justice Scalia joined with Chief Justice Roberts in the determination that the proponents did not have standing telegraphed to me that Scalia had concluded that he did not have the votes necessary to uphold Proposition 8.

TOTENBERG: Judges in the federal courts are assigned cases at random, so when California's ban on same-sex marriage was assigned to Walker, it did give him a moment's pause. Because Vaughn Walker is gay.

WALKER: Yes, I gave it thought, of course, but I had been open for a long period of time.

TOTENBERG: And while he had not talked about his sexual orientation publicly, he says his colleagues knew, people in the legal community knew; it had been mentioned in the press, and while he had thought at some point in his many years on the bench that it would have come up, it never did. Indeed, when the lawyers supporting the ban on gay marriage were asked if they planned to raise it as an issue, they said no.

Later on, after Walker's ruling, the Prop 8 advocates did raise the issue, seeking to have Walker's opinion invalidated. That move, however, was quickly slapped down by another judge. Walker says he always knew this would be a case of great consequence.

WALKER: I had every expectation that at some point or other this case would wind up in the Supreme Court of the United States.

TOTENBERG: That's just one of the reasons he conducted a 12 day trial to be sure there was a complete record for the appeals court and the Supreme Court to review. And he says he learned a lot during the trial. Walker's role in the Prop 8 case is particularly ironic, given the controversy over his nomination to the bench by President Reagan in 1987.

He was opposed back then by gay rights groups and their supporters because as a lawyer he had represented the International Olympics Committee in a successful trademark suit that forced the gay Olympics to drop the word Olympics from its title. He remembers the experience as a bitter one.

WALKER: I was accused of having taken the case and having litigated it in the way I did because I was covering up for my own sexuality.

TOTENBERG: The San Francisco Board of Supervisors even passed a resolution against his nomination. It took two years for him to win confirmation. Back then, he probably never imagined that he would be the author of the first federal court decision declaring a right to marry for same-sex couples. So, I asked him, now that the Supreme Court has struck down the federal Defense of Marriage Act but left the issue of same-sex marriage bans unresolved, what does he think will happen?

WALKER: I can't tell you exactly what's going to happen. And I certainly can't tell you when it's going to happen, but I think the direction of movement is now pretty well established.

TOTENBERG: And what about him? three years ago when he retired from the bench, he said he had no plan to marry, so I wondered if that has changed.

WALKER: It has not, but I will also add, Nina, you will not be the first to know.

(LAUGHTER)

TOTENBERG: Nina Totenberg, NPR News, Washington.

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