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There is a heated debate over the use of antibiotics in farm animals. Critics say farmers overuse the drugs. Farmers say they don't. One reason the argument is hard to settle is that nobody knows for sure exactly how farmers are using antibiotics. The government doesn't collect that information. Many public health experts say it should, because the problem of antibiotic-resistant bacteria is growing.
NPR's Dan Charles reports.
DAN CHARLES, BYLINE: When Dr. James Johnson, a professor of medicine at the University of Minnesota, decides that a patient needs an antibiotic, more and more he has to ask himself: Will this drug even work? Or am I dealing with a strain of bacteria that's now resistant to it?
JAMES JOHNSON: Resistance is turning up everywhere and increasingly involves our first-line favorite drugs. Everyone knows we're in a real crisis situation.
CHARLES: There's no easy way out of the crisis because antibiotics are so valuable. Everybody wants to use them. And the more they're used the more likely it is that bacteria will become resistant to them. We need restrain ourselves, Johnson says - just use these drugs when they're absolutely necessary. And we need to know much more about how they're being used.
JOHNSON: Otherwise we're sort of flying blind.
CHARLES: Do you think we're flying blind right now or do we actually have the information we need?
JOHNSON: No, not at all. I think we're mostly flying blind, at least in the U.S.
CHARLES: There's no comprehensive data on how doctors prescribe antibiotics to people, he says. And we know even less about all the antibiotics that are given to chickens, turkeys, hogs and cattle. On the farm, antibiotics are used to treat disease, to prevent disease, even to help animals grow faster. All that antibiotic use does create lots of drug-resistant bacteria. And those bacteria can end up in people in various ways.
There's a huge debate over how big of a problem this might be. Morgan Scott, in the College of Veterinary Medicine at Kansas State University, is trying to figure out the answer.
MORGAN SCOTT: As a researcher, it's an intriguing area to be in but it's also frustrating to be in because the data are really not there.
CHARLES: The only solid numbers on antibiotic use on the farm come from the Food and Drug Administration. Every year, the FDA lists the total quantity of each major class of antibiotics sold for use in all farm animals.
But Morgan Scott says those overall totals don't tell him what he'd like to know.
SCOTT: At the moment, we really can't identify whether certain uses of antibiotics are less or more risky than others.
CHARLES: He'd love to know the patterns of antibiotic use; which drugs are used on each kind of animal and for what purpose, all across the country. If scientists tracked this over many years, they might be able to see which patterns of use create more drug-resistant bacteria.
There is a country that does collect this information. Denmark has led the world in efforts to control antibiotic use and antibiotic resistance. Every year, it publishes a big volume of numbers. And Morgan Scott can't get enough of them.
SCOTT: Diving into these data, and obviously visiting Denmark itself, is kind of like Disneyland for those of us who like big data.
CHARLES: There are lots of people who want something similar here. They include public health experts, also activist groups like the Union of Concerned Scientists. There are bills pending in Congress that would force the FDA to collect this data and publish it.
But pharmaceutical companies and agricultural groups don't like that idea. They don't believe antibiotic use in animals is causing much of a problem for human health. They also don't think that detailed national statistics would even be useful.
RON PHILLIPS: The amount of antibiotic used does not correlate to the potential public health threat.
CHARLES: That's Ron Phillips, a spokesman for the Animal Health Institute, which represents companies that sell veterinary drugs. Phillips says if you really want to figure out which agricultural practices produce drug-resistant bacteria, study them up-close. Look at a few individual farms. What drugs are being used, how bacteria adapt. But don't create a big national data collection system, he says. It would be a waste of money and the numbers would just be misused by advocacy groups that are campaigning to restrict the use of antibiotics by farmers.
PHILLIPS: The widespread quotes that you see about how much is used in animal medicine, as opposed to human medicine, they're meant to scare people, not to inform people.
CHARLES: On the other hand, Morgan Scott at Kansas State University, thinks better numbers could actually mean less suspicion and fear. Many people want to know exactly what meat producers are doing, he says. When information is missing, they're inclined to assume the worst.
Dan Charles, NPR News.
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