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Fewer than 5,000 black rhinos are thought to exist in the wild, many of them in Namibia. Now, the Dallas Safari Club is looking to help preserve the animal by killing one. The hunting organization is raising funds to save the population by auctioning off a permit to hunt a rhino in Namibia. Dallas Safari Club executive Ben Carter joins us now from his office. Welcome.

BEN CARTER: Hello. How are you?

LUDDEN: Good. I think a lot of people would say wow, this sounds really counterintuitive, to be hunting the rhino that you want to preserve. Can you explain the rationale here?

CARTER: Yes. Well, in talking with scientists and biologists, they feel like this is the best way to grow the population of black rhinos through the ability to raise funds for this.

LUDDEN: Raising all the money is the point of the process.

CARTER: That's exactly right. Wildlife doesn't exist just out there with nobody taking care of it. It takes a lot of protection. It needs land. It needs management. It needs studies. All of that costs money.

LUDDEN: Still, you must be getting a lot of pushback from environmental groups.

CARTER: Well, we are, but I think a lot of the problem is they just aren't educated. I don't think they understand the role that hunting plays in conservation. The habitat will sustain a certain amount of the population and whatever is excess can be harvested and you can raise money from that through selling hunting licenses, different things like that that actually keeps the system working and in place.

LUDDEN: Now, in this case, is it true that you are actually auctioning off the ability to hunt one very specific rhino?

CARTER: That's exactly right. The animal that will be hunted with this permit is one that is a - older, non-breeding bull. He's already lived his life cycle in the breeding part of it with the herd. Black rhinos tend to be very territorial, and they tend to be very aggressive. And unfortunately, when they get to be older and they're not breeding bulls any more, they still are territorial, and they actually are detrimental to the expansion of the herd. What can happen is they can actually kill younger, breeding-class bulls, and they'll also kill cows and calves.

So in many times, the Department of Wildlife will actually remove these animals anyway. There will be members of the Department of Wildlife that will accompany the hunter, and they will select the animal that the Department of Wildlife tells them is the right one that needs to be taken out of the population so that the population will actually continue to grow and expand.

LUDDEN: How much do you expect the permit to go for?

CARTER: Well, we're hoping it'll go anywhere from $225,000 maybe all the way up to $1 million. One hundred percent of the proceeds go back to the Wildlife Trust of Namibia, with 100 percent of those funds being earmarked strictly for black rhino conservation. The Dallas Safari Club will not make a penny off of this. It's all 100 percent going straight to conservation.

LUDDEN: Ben Carter, of the Dallas Safari Club. Thank you so much for speaking with us.

CARTER: Well, thank you. Appreciate it.

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