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And I'm Audie Cornish. A jury in California is deliberating a major lawsuit between Apple and Samsung. Apple is suing Samsung for a patent infringement and wants $2 billion in damages. Even if Apple prevails, later this year, the Supreme Court could change everything. As NPR's Laura Sydell reports, a case before the justices could devalue thousands of existing patents.
LAURA SYDELL, BYLINE: When you start typing a phone number into your smartphone, these days, you expect that the device will recognize that it's a phone number so you can tap on the screen and make the call. Apple says it's got a patent on that process. What's interesting about this patent says Daniel Nazer, a staff attorney at the Electronic Frontier Foundation, is that it was filed way back in 1996.
DANIEL NAZER: If you look at Figure 1 of this patent, there's a floppy disk drive in the block diagram. And I'm going to go out on a limb: I don't have an iPhone, but I don't think an iPhone has a floppy disk drive.
SYDELL: I do have an iPhone and there is no floppy disk. This is one of the patents at issue in the trial right now in San Jose. Nazer says this patent covers a very broad idea that has nothing to do with smartphones.
NAZER: It could be done in all kinds of different hardware, all kinds of different software. That potentially gives Apple or whoever owns these really broad software patents a big monopoly over innovation.
SYDELL: In another big case, this one before the Supreme Court, it's this sort of patent that's the issue. Alice Corporation owns patents on a process of verifying payment on a computer. They say it's a special method. Alice is what is called a nonpracticing entity, known pejoratively as a patent troll.
MARK LEMLEY: They don't in fact sell a software or a program.
SYDELL: Mark Lemley is a law professor at Stanford University. Lemley says Alice claims it has a patent on using a computer to confirm a financial transaction. He says they look at it this way:
LEMLEY: We make sure the money gets passed from one party to the other, so it's kind of like an escrow arrangement.
SYDELL: Lemley says Alice Corporation believes anyone using a computer process to do this should pay them a fee. During oral arguments in the Supreme Court several of the justices seemed skeptical, says David E. Martin, a patent evaluation expert.
DAVID E. MARTIN: There have been countless ways in which that has been done, not only over the last several decades, but quite frankly the idea of settling up accounts and confirming order and fulfillment is actually something that's been done probably as long as humans have traded.
SYDELL: Justice Stephen Breyer suggested Alice may be trying to patent an idea that goes back to the days of King Tut, who probably verified gold transactions with an abacus. What is significant about this case, says David Martin, is that there are thousands of patents like this one. Someone has an old idea and says they've got a way to do it on a computer or over the Internet.
David Martin says many small tech companies were encouraged by investors to patent as much as they could.
MARTIN: Somehow or another more patents means you're going to be of greater value to the ultimate acquirer, be it Twitter or Facebook or Google or Apple or whoever else.
SYDELL: In recent years, the big tech giants have stockpiled patents they purchased from other companies. According to the Electronic Frontier Foundation's Daniel Nazer, in 2011, Google and Apple spent more on buying up patents than they did on research and development.
NAZER: When you're looking at what are supposedly our most innovative tech companies and they're spending more buying patents than actually innovating, you've seen patents sort of usurp the R and D process rather than promote it.
SYDELL: The case before the Supreme Court could shrink the value of all those patent investments. And for Apple, it could make its ongoing patent battles against rival smartphone maker Samsung more challenging, says Stanford Professor Mark Lemley.
LEMLEY: Whatever the outcome of the jury trial, we're going to be back in court arguing that these patents shouldn't have been in front of the jury at all because they aren't valid.
SYDELL: But Samsung and Apple have been fighting over patents in courts in the U.S. and around the world. Before he died, Apple's founder and CEO, Steve Jobs, vowed to spend every cent of the company's billions in cash to fight what he believed was a stolen product. And while many of the patents in Apple's trove could become invalid, it's still got a lot more patents in its arsenal. Laura Sydell, NPR News, San Francisco.