Inside Foxconn, Maker Of The iPhone
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BLOCK: Frederik Balfour wrote a lengthy story about Foxconn for Bloomberg Business Week earlier this year. He joins us from Hong Kong. Welcome to the program.
FREDERIK BALFOUR: Thank you, Melissa.
BLOCK: We should explain when we talk about Foxconn's manufacturing in Mainland China, these are operations on a scale that's just hard to fathom.
BALFOUR: It certainly is. They now employ more than one million people. The largest factory, which is in Shenzhen, the one that I visited, has over 300,000 people. It's an entire city - not a particularly attractive city, but it's got Internet cafes, it's got banks, it has its own postal code. It's absolutely massive. And these are people creating the iPads, Sony Playstations, laptops for Hewlett-Packard and for Dell - the entire supply chain.
BLOCK: And the head of this company, of Foxconn, is a man named Terry Gou. He's the richest man in Taiwan - splits his time between Taiwan and China. And you had a chance to talk with him at a point where he was basically living at this plant in Shenzhen because of the suicides, right?
BALFOUR: And then they decided to rethink their model, which was instead of creating entire cities for their employees, to try and build new factories in the interior of the country and let the government take care of housing and feeding them.
BLOCK: And the notion of putting factories in the interior of the country, as I understand it, Frederik, would be that workers would be closer to their families. These are migrant workers who've traveled huge distances to work in Shenzhen. This would at least put them closer to home.
BALFOUR: Exactly, Melissa. And it does make sense because they had no social support network whatsoever in places like Shenzhen.
BLOCK: You know, Frederik, one detail about the response to the suicides that we haven't talked about is that they ended up stringing nets outside the dormitory so that if people were to jump, they would land in the nets.
BALFOUR: And, sadly, one person did try to jump and landed in the net and still died. But the nets are still up. So, they're still very aware of the potential problems.
BLOCK: When you were at the Foxconn plant, you spoke with about two dozen workers, what did they tell you about conditions there? And did it seem to you like they were working essentially in a sweatshop?
BALFOUR: No. I've visited plenty of sweatshops around the world, from Central America to Vietnam. This is definitely not a sweatshop. The thing is, though, that these workers are probably under more pressure than anyone else working in China. The supervisors are extremely draconian. There's no margin for error. The sophistication of the process and the products that they're producing means that they're always under the gun. And that, I think, is what contributes to the high stress level at Foxconn.
BLOCK: Is there any indication that the measures that Foxconn took, that that's had an effect, that the rate of suicides has dropped?
BALFOUR: Yes. The rate of suicides has dropped, Melissa. There's only been one since the beginning of the summer. I think the company really is making a concerted effort. They're under a lot of pressure both from their customers and from the Chinese government to try and address the problems and the needs of migrant workers. And it's something that the entire country faces. It's not just Foxconn. They just happen to be the biggest.
BLOCK: Well, Frederik Balfour, it's a fascinating story. Thanks very much for talking with us.
BALFOUR: Thank you, Melissa.
BLOCK: Frederik Balfour covers Asia for Bloomberg Business Week. He's based in Hong Kong.
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