North Korea Doesn't Evacuate Its People From Libya
STEVE INSKEEP, Host:
Welcome to the program.
SEBASTIAN STRANGIO: Hi.
INSKEEP: How did North Koreans end up in Libya and how many of them are there?
STRANGIO: Well, we know of about 200 to 300. The reports differ. I mean North Korea has relationship with Libya going back to the '70s; Gadhafi has been described as one of the Revolutionary comrades of Kim Il-sung. And North Koreans were sent to work as cut-price doctors, construction workers, nurses. And this has been going on for a number of decades.
INSKEEP: When you say one of the revolutionary comrades of Kim Il-sung, that's the father of the current ruler of North Korea, Kim Jong-il. The Moammar Gadhafi has been around that long?
STRANGIO: Yeah, that's right.
INSKEEP: In spite of what we just heard about the hospital workers, it seems that a great many foreign workers have left Libya, some of them have just practically walked out to get home to Egypt. Americans and the British and others have sent planes or boats to get their people out. What about the North Koreans?
STRANGIO: The North Korean government has ordered their ex-pats that are currently in Libya to remain in Libya. A lot of analysts have been suggesting that the North Korean government is concerned that these people, after having witnessed the uprising against Gadhafi, would spread these ideas and that would somehow pose a danger, you know, perhaps a copycat revolution in Kim Jong-il's regime.
INSKEEP: Maybe this is a good moment to remember how isolated North Korea's people are. What sources of information, if any, do they have about the outside world?
STRANGIO: Well, in the last I'd say decade or so, things have begun to open up - only in relative terms obviously. One of the main forms of communications in recent years has been Chinese cell phone networks, which can reach inside North Korea to a certain extent along the border. And a lot of defector organizations, media organizations use these networks to get information in and out of the country.
INSKEEP: Do you have any sense about whether North Koreans at large may have at least some information about the Arab Spring uprisings?
STRANGIO: But I mean it would be pretty hard for North Koreans, who are not close to the border with China, to have information about what's going on there.
INSKEEP: Are there other signs that the North Korean government is a little bit concerned about an uprising on its own soil at this moment?
STRANGIO: There was a footage that surfaced recently of a trial in a border town. And the person on trial was accused of possessing South Korean songs and TV shows. And I think that really shows you the extent to which they're cracking down just at the moment.
INSKEEP: Thanks very much.
STRANGIO: All right. Thanks, Steve.
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