NCAA Probes 'Stunning' Allegations Against Miami
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Mr. Emmert, thank you for being here.
MARK EMMERT: Oh, my pleasure, David.
GREENE: I want to first ask you, how did you react to these allegations against Miami?
EMMERT: Well, first of all, we've got to underscore the fact that they're allegations and that we're still investigating all of them to see what's fact and what's fiction. But the allegations themselves, of course, are nothing short of shocking. If true, of course, they're pretty stunning and would be a huge blow to the integrity questions around intercollegiate athletics.
GREENE: We are talking about this coming after some high profile programs like USC in Southern California, Auburn, Ohio State with, you know, some serious accusations against them. It seems like the problem is just really widespread.
EMMERT: What I do know is that it's unacceptably high. We simply can't tolerate these kinds of actions and continue to promote our programs as having the integrity that we all expect of them.
GREENE: College football is a multibillion dollar sport with television contracts and marketing. Do you begin to have to question the whole notion that these are amateur athletes? Is that belief still relevant?
EMMERT: We've got to make sure that we're supporting those young people well and the way we handle their grants and aids, their scholarships. We've got to make sure that we define integrity clearly in our rules and we don't focus on small ticky-tacky things but on those big questions of integrity and forthrightness. And then we've got to make sure that we've got a penalty structure that provides serious disincentives.
GREENE: Just to be clear about what you're suggesting. When you're talking about promoting integrity throughout college sports, as opposed to focusing on specifics like how many phone calls did a player get from a booster, I could see some critics saying, you know, people have been talking about integrity in college sports for decades and we still have these problems. How do you respond to that?
EMMERT: And if we can shift the attention to making sure that those that are ultimately responsible for programs conduct them in a way that's consistent with the values of higher education and intercollegiate athletics, I think we can have a serious impact. Will we get rid of all the problems in integrity? No, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be really clear about what we expect from people and hold them accountable for it. And we're going to do that.
GREENE: One idea is boosting scholarships. You know, acknowledging that athletics is their lives. More money could be controlled by the university but covering more than tuition and books. And this might compensate athletes for their performance, but in a controlled way, and maybe eliminate the need for boosters and illegal gifts. Would the NCAA consider that?
EMMERT: If you increase to the full cost of attendance it adds maybe a couple of thousand dollars to the value of a full stipend for a student athlete. That doesn't address issues of going to nightclubs or to strip clubs or the kind of allegations that you've seen in Miami. Those allegations had nothing to do with the fact that student athletes didn't have sufficient resources to cover their cost of going to school. That's just bad behavior.
GREENE: You're on record saying that the so-called death penalty for the University of Miami ending the football program for a period of time is an option that is on the table depending on how this investigation plays out. What would you hope to accomplish with such a decision if it comes to that?
EMMERT: In cases where we've got the most flagrant, most egregious infractions and cases that are really pervasive in the way they've they've conducted themselves inappropriately - like with SMU back in the '80s...
GREENE: So their method is - yeah.
EMMERT: And so, it's something that you would want to use only as the most serious of deterrents, to demonstrate that there are some places that we simply cannot go in intercollegiate athletics.
GREENE: Mr. Emmert, thank you so much for your time.
EMMERT: My pleasure.
GREENE: Mark Emmert is president of the NCAA.
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