PETER SAGAL, HOST:
Right now, panel, time for you to answer some questions about this week's news. Peter, more and more people are using sleep trackers - wearable gadgets that give you data to help you improve your sleep. But according to a new study, these sleep trackers can also cause what?
PETER GROSZ: Anxiety and insomnia.
SAGAL: Exactly right.
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SAGAL: You say irony. They say business model.
SAGAL: The devices monitor your heart rate, your restlessness where you roll around, your REM cycle. And they give you a sleep score. Basically, they have gamified sleep. But new research shows people are so anxious about getting a good sleep score that it keeps them up at night.
SAGAL: You know how it goes. You don't get a good sleep score, you won't get into a good sleep school.
ADAM FELBER: And your parents will have to Photoshop your face onto a sleeping person.
SAGAL: I know.
SAGAL: You know - do you know how people - like, I don't know why they do this, but to cheat their step counter, they'd sometimes, like...
SAGAL: ...Attach it to their dog, for example...
GROSZ: I learned that from you, Peter, like a year ago.
SAGAL: I mean...
SAGAL: What would be the sleep tracker equivalent - like, attaching it to a corpse?
GROSZ: No, it would be - the steps is for a dog, and the sleep is for a cat.
SAGAL: Exactly, yeah.
ROXANNE ROBERTS: Does a sleep tracker customize it? Or does it tell you what you're supposed to do?
GROSZ: It just gives you the raw data, you're asking? Or is...
SAGAL: Yeah. I think what it does - because my phone does this without me asking it. It says, you haven't been getting enough sleep. It sort of lectures you. You should get more sleep.
FELBER: Your phone does this?
GROSZ: Do you turn your phone off when you sleep?
SAGAL: Well, I've got this thing - it's, like, it tells me, time for bed.
GROSZ: And then you go to bed?
GROSZ: So hold on a second.
FELBER: Wait a minute.
GROSZ: You know that's...
GROSZ: ...A suggestion.
SAGAL: I'm not going to say no to my phone.
FELBER: Why would you install such a...
SAGAL: It's my best friend.
FELBER: Oh, my God.
GROSZ: You're not 5, and it's your parents.
ROBERTS: That's why you have skull spurs.
SAGAL: I know.
SAGAL: That's the problem. And the other problem is I can't sleep because I keep lying on my skull bone.
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