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Best Of: 'Joker' Dir. Todd Phillips / Andrea Bernstein on 'American Oligarchs'

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Best Of: 'Joker' Dir. Todd Phillips / Andrea Bernstein on 'American Oligarchs'

Best Of: 'Joker' Dir. Todd Phillips / Andrea Bernstein on 'American Oligarchs'

Best Of: 'Joker' Dir. Todd Phillips / Andrea Bernstein on 'American Oligarchs'

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'Joker' is an origin story for the villain in the Batman series, but director Todd Phillips says it's not a comic book movie. "It really started as an experiment, so to speak. ... Maybe you could get one of those deep-dive character study movies done nowadays in the studio system if you disguise it as a comic book film."

Author Andrea Bernstein, co-host of the podcast 'Trump, Inc.' and the author of the new book 'American Oligarchs,' talks with Terry Gross about the family histories of both the Trumps and the Kushners — and their "marriage of money and power."

John Powers reviews HBO's adaptation of Stephen King's thriller 'The Outsider.'