Pleasure, pain, and romance in 'X' by Davey Davis : It's Been a Minute How do freedom and rights intersect with sex, pleasure and the self? It's a question the U.S. is facing in the wake of the Supreme Court's recent decision to overturn Roe v. Wade — and a central theme in writer Davey Davis's new novel. In X, Davis relocates the conflict over these ideas from courts and abortion clinics to queer clubs and BDSM dungeons in a more dystopic version of our present.

In this episode, guest host Anna Sale talks to Davis about why sadism is romantic, how bureaucracy can become a tool of oppression and why bad behavior doesn't make us less human.

You can follow us on Twitter @NPRItsBeenAMin and email us at ibam@npr.org.

'X' explores pleasure and pain in a dystopic world

'X' explores pleasure and pain in a dystopic world

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How do freedom and rights intersect with sex, pleasure and the self? It's a question the U.S. is facing in the wake of the Supreme Court's recent decision to overturn Roe v. Wade — and a central theme in writer Davey Davis's new novel. In X, Davis relocates the conflict over these ideas from courts and abortion clinics to queer clubs and BDSM dungeons in a more dystopic version of our present.

In this episode, guest host Anna Sale talks to Davis about why sadism is romantic, how bureaucracy can become a tool of oppression and why bad behavior doesn't make us less human.

This episode was produced by Liam McBain. It was edited by Jessica Mendoza and Quinn O'Toole. Engineering help came from Hanna Copeland. You can follow us on Twitter @NPRItsBeenAMin and email us at IBAM@npr.org.