Two best friends who call themselves brothers were drifting apart. So they asked psychotherapist Esther Perel for help — and we listened in. This episode was recorded in collaboration with Where Should We Begin? with Esther Perel and a companion episode can be heard on her podcast.

Additional Resources:

More about Esther Perel:

• Where Should We Begin? podcast (sister episode here)
• How's Work? podcast
• Author of Mating in Captivity and The State of Affairs

Learn more about friendship therapy:

• Catalyst Counseling Friendship Therapy
• Thriveworks Friendship Counseling
• Aminatou Sow and Ann Friedman on their experience in friend therapy

Special thanks for the following musicians:

• Theme music by Infinity Knives
• SKYHOLE
• Connor Lafitte
• William Cashion
• Elizabeth De Lise