How Does That Old Saying Go? Every answer is a familiar proverb or saying. Given a two-word phrase, one of the words is in that proverb or saying, and the other is an anagram of a word in it. The anagram can be either word in the phrase.
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This is WEEKEND EDITION from NPR News. I'm Liane Hansen.

And joining us is puzzlemaster Will Shortz. Hey, Will.

WILL SHORTZ: How you doing, Liane?

HANSEN: I'm doing very well, thank you. How about yourself?

SHORTZ: Not bad. Not bad. Going to San Francisco this next week for the International Puzzle Party, which is for people who invent and collect mechanical puzzles, things you do with your hands.

HANSEN: Really? So it's not just an after party for everyone who went to the National Puzzlers' League convention in Baltimore, right?

SHORTZ: It's really a completely different group. I'll probably be the only person who was at the National Puzzlers' League convention, also at the International Puzzle Party.

HANSEN: Interesting. Yes. Well, going from word puzzles to ones that you can create. Fascinating.

SHORTZ: Right.

HANSEN: You gave us a great word puzzle last week. Would you repeat it?

SHORTZ: Yes. I said name a well-known U.S. city in six letters. Drop the first and fourth letters, so the remaining four letters, in order, name another well-known U.S. city. And as a hint, I said the two cities are in adjoining states. What cities are they?

HANSEN: What are they?

SHORTZ: They are Fresno, California and Reno, Nevada.

HANSEN: Well, we had a lot of people on the ball, 2,900 correct entries to this puzzle came in this week. Our randomly selected winner is Jennifer Kahn from East Brunswick, New Jersey. Hi, Jennifer.


HANSEN: What do you do in East Brunswick?

Ms. KAHN: I'm retired. I'm a biochemist. I retired in October last year. And I've just recently gone back to work in the afternoons in a lab.

HANSEN: All right. Well, if we get any science questions, I'm counting on you.

Ms. KAHN: Uh-huh.

(Soundbite of laughter)

HANSEN: You sound ready to play. Are you?

Ms. KAHN: Uh, yes.


(Soundbite of laughter)


SHORTZ: After a pause.

HANSEN: Right. Qualified yes. Will, meet Jennifer. Let's play.

SHORTZ: All right, Jennifer, every answer today is a familiar proverb or saying. I'm going to give you a two-word phrase, one of the words is in the proverb or saying, the other is an anagram of a word in it. And the anagram could be either word in the phrase. For example, if I said, more roads, M-O-R-E R-O-A-D-S, you would say, all roads lead to Rome, because they both have roads and more is an anagram of Rome.


Ms. KAHN: Yes.

SHORTZ: All right. Number one is rolling notes, N-O-T-E-S.

Ms. KAHN: Rolling notes.


Ms. KAHN: Oh, rolling stone.

HANSEN: Right.

SHORTZ: Gathers no moss is correct.

Ms. KAHN: Yeah, gathers no moss, yes.

SHORTZ: Good. Number two, gold ton, G-O-L-D T-O-N.

HANSEN: Gold ton.


HANSEN: Not - would that - so might that be not?


HANSEN: All right. So what's a proverb that has the gold and not? All that glimmers is not gold.

Ms. KAHN: All that glimmers is not gold.


SHORTZ: That's right. Good. Two hubs, T-W-O H-U-B-S.

Ms. KAHN: Must be two - a bird in - no.

SHORTZ: What's that? That's it.

Ms. KAHN: Two, no.

HANSEN: No, you had it.

SHORTZ: You have it.

Ms. KAHN: A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

HANSEN: Got it.

SHORTZ: That's it. Raw love, R-A-W L-O-V-E.

Ms. KAHN: L-O-V-E.

HANSEN: So love stays the same.

SHORTZ: Yes. Rearrange the letters of raw.

Ms. KAHN: Oh, war…


HANSEN: Make love not war?

Ms. KAHN: Make - yes.

SHORTZ: I guess that works. That's not my answer.

HANSEN: But that's not an old proverb, it's sort of from the '60s. What was your answer?

SHORTZ: My answer is: All is fair in love and war.

HANSEN: Oh, yeah.

Ms. KAHN: Love and war…

SHORTZ: But I'm going to count - your answer works too.

(Soundbite of laughter)

SHORTZ: Try this one. Bed layer, B-E-D L-A-Y-E-R.

Ms. KAHN: Bed layer.

SHORTZ: So rearrange the letters of layer.

HANSEN: Early.


Ms. KAHN: Early. Ah. The early bird, no, get's - catches the worm?

HANSEN: No. How about…

SHORTZ: No, there's no bed in there. Yeah, Liane?

HANSEN: Early to bed.

Ms. KAHN: Early to bed, early to rise.

SHORTZ: Makes a man healthy, wealthy and wise.

HANSEN: Makes us healthy, wealthy and wise.

(Soundbite of laughter)

SHORTZ: Good. How about diet time. D-I-E-T T-I-M-E.

Ms. KAHN: Time and tide waits for no man.

HANSEN: All right - fast.

SHORTZ: Ooh, that's fast. Fiction granters. Fiction and then G-R-A-N-T-E-R-S.

Ms. KAHN: Must be…

HANSEN: Give us a hint.

SHORTZ: Oh, well, as you might guess, rearrange the letters of granters.

Ms. KAHN: Yes.

SHORTZ: And starting with S.


Ms. KAHN: Oh. Strange.


Ms. KAHN: Stranger.

SHORTZ: Stranger, yes.

Ms. KAHN: Truth is stranger than fiction.

SHORTZ: That's it. Good. And here's your last one. Nights end. That's N-I-G-H-T-S E-N-D.

Ms. KAHN: N-I, oh, nights end. Oh, den.

SHORTZ: Nope, try another. Rearrange the letters of nights.

Ms. KAHN: Ah.

HANSEN: Things.

Ms. KAHN: Things end.

HANSEN: Things end. This ends, the puzzle's over.

(Soundbite of laughter)

HANSEN: No, they end…

Ms. KAHN: Things end.

SHORTZ: The proverb starts with all.

Ms. KAHN: Oh, all good things come to an end.


SHORTZ: That's it.

Ms. KAHN: All puzzles came to an end.

HANSEN: There we go - all good puzzles must come to an end.

(Soundbite of laughter)

HANSEN: Jennifer, nice work.

Ms. KAHN: Oh. We made a good time.

HANSEN: We made it good team. We really did. These were difficult. You did a great job and, as always, we have some great prizes for you for playing our puzzle today. And of course we have someone very special to tell you about them. This is a musician who was on our program a few weeks ago. He plays a mean violin and he has a lovely French accent: Laurent Korcia.

(Soundbite of music)

Mr. LAURENT KORCIA (Violinist): For playing the puzzle today, you will get a WEEKEND EDITION lapel pin, the 11th Edition of Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary and Thesaurus, the Scrabble Deluxe Edition from Parker Brothers. The "Puzzlemaster Presents" from Random House Volume 2, Will Shortz's latest book series, "Will Shortz Presents KenKen," Volumes 1, 2 and 3 from St. Martin's Press. And one of Will Shortz's "Puzzlemaster Decks of Riddles and Challenges" from Chronicle Books.

(Soundbite of music)

HANSEN: Ooh, Jennifer, what do you think - sound delicious?

Ms. KAHN: Oh, sounds overwhelming.

HANSEN: Yeah. Yeah. And what a great, what a great voice and a wonderful player. He's been doing some film scores. And it's a terrific CD. So, before we let you go, Jennifer, tell us what member station you listen to?


HANSEN: All right, say it loud, say it proud. Jennifer Kahn from East Brunswick. Thanks for playing the puzzle with us today.

Ms. KAHN: Thank you.

HANSEN: All right, Will, and I imagine in your back pocket you have a challenge for next week.

(Soundbite of laughter)

SHORTZ: Yes, I do. It's from our old pal, Merl Reagal. Take a slang term for money, change one of its letters to the next letter of the alphabet, rearrange the result and you'll get another slang term for money. What are the words? So, again, a slang term for money, change one of the letters to the next letter of the alphabet, rearrange the result and you'll get another slang term for money. What words are these?

HANSEN: When you have the answer, go to our Web site and click on the Submit Your Answer link. Only one entry per person, please. Our deadline this week is Thursday 3 p.m. Eastern Time. Please include a phone number where we can reach you at about that time. We'll call you if you're the winner and you'll get to play puzzle on the air with the puzzle editor of The New York Times and WEEKEND EDITION's Puzzlemaster Will Shortz. Thanks a lot, Will.

SHORTZ: Thanks, Liane.

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