A Pie-Making Encore: Start With The Perfect Recipe, Serve With Love : The Salt Pie can elicit thoughts of home, warmth and comfort. But fear of pie crust may deter even the most comfortable of cooks from trying their hand at pie-making. The secret, one chef reveals, starts with the formula 3-2-1.
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A Pie-Making Encore: Start With The Perfect Recipe, Serve With Love

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This is the season for baking, cookies, fruit cake - if you're braver than me, maybe pies. Really, it's not just the eating. The baking is part of the fun, even when things don't come out of the oven perfectly. Now, back in July, NPR's Allison Aubrey told us how she faced her fear of trying to make a pie from scratch. She took a pastry 101 class at the Culinary Institute of America. Allison is planning to do some pie-baking over the holidays.

So in this encore broadcast, we thought we'd hear again how she got her confidence back, a little bit of inspiration as we head into this weekend before Christmas.

ALLISON AUBREY, BYLINE: When it comes to making pie, I'm part of the lost generation. My grandmother and great grandmother and probably her mom before that were all fabulous bakers. But then came my mom. She's of the generation that liberated themselves a bit from the kitchen. She had a career, and recently she told me that the one and only time she tried to make a pie crust on her own, it was disastrous.

BARBARA AUBREY: It wouldn't roll right. It just crumbled. It wouldn't come together. It wouldn't go in the pie plate. So I gave up, and your dad came home and there was no apple pie. He was just so sad.

AUBREY: And she asked me whether it's different for me.

AUBREY: Since you've been married, have you ever made a pie crust?

AUBREY: I tried one time, and I don't think it worked out so well.

AUBREY: So you gave up. We're not very persevering when it comes to pie crust.

AUBREY: Now, making a pie crust can't be that difficult, right? But the truth is, I'm scared. So when I decided to face this fear, I wanted to do it the right way. I hopped on a train and headed to the nation's premiere cooking school, the Culinary Institute of America in Hyde Park, New York. It's a beautiful, leafy campus, an old monastery actually overlooking the Hudson River.

And I get the feeling that some great things happened here. Inside the classroom, we meet Chef George Higgins.

GEORGE HIGGINS: Good morning. How are you all doing today? Good.

AUBREY: This guy's been making pastry for decades.

HIGGINS: Today, we're going to devote the entire day to making pie.

AUBREY: Excellent. That's what I'm looking for. There are about 12 other students in the class with me. We all wear chef's white and tokes, those tall white hats. Most of them are in their 20s, and though they're dressed like pros, they look small and scared in this vast classroom. It's, like, 40 times the size of a home kitchen, and I feel their angst, too. Higgins is an imposing figure, but he tells us really, this should be simple.

HIGGINS: It starts with something called 3, 2, 1 pie dough - 3, 2, 1. That's the basic recipe for pie dough.

AUBREY: Okay. Got it. This is the magic formula. Three parts flour, two parts fat, one part liquid. Stick to this, he says. Be very exacting.

HIGGINS: And it's not like making soup, where you add a little of this or add a little of that. Bakers measure that precisely.

AUBREY: So now it's time for me to give it a try. I cut big chunks of firm butter and squeeze them into the floor.

HIGGINS: Okay. So you're all flaked in. When you're done with flaky pie dough, it's supposed to look like flour with large, visible chunks and flakes of fat in it.

AUBREY: Okay. This is easier than I thought. Now, I add the water and start working the dough. I think I'm really getting it. I'm massaging the dough. It's actually kind of fun. But then, Chef Higgins peers over my shoulder.

HIGGINS: Try not to knead flour into it.

AUBREY: Oh. 'Cause I was thinking of the kneading as, like, sort of a cathartic part. Kind of like...

HIGGINS: When you make bread, it is. When you make pie dough, you're going to stress me out. There will be nothing cathartic about it.

AUBREY: He makes me go back and start over. He says I have ruined the dough.

HIGGINS: I'm going to come right back, and we're going to do this the correct way.

AUBREY: Yikes. Turns out, the less you handle the dough, the better.

HIGGINS: Somebody bring that rolling rack over here.

AUBREY: My next try is more successful, and as I start to roll out the dough, I begin chit-chatting, feeling a little comfortable, but Higgins tells me to pay attention, get back on track.

HIGGINS: Here. Who's the boss of the dough?


HIGGINS: You are. That's right. So here, make a circle. We know you know what a circle looks like.

AUBREY: Yes, I know what a circle looks like. I'm just having a hard time rolling it out.

HIGGINS: And there you go. So you just form it, manipulate it...

AUBREY: My dough looks like the state of Texas. It's big at one end, stretched out on the other, but eventually, I get it.

HIGGINS: Oh, my God. All of a sudden, she became like the master of - yeah.

AUBREY: I am getting better at this. Actually, it's not a perfect circle, but it's good enough. I get the dough in the pan, and it's at this moment as I start to pour the blueberry filling into the crust that the muscles in my shoulders begin to relax. My anxiety level is so far down now, now that I've got the blueberry in the pie, I'm thinking...

HIGGINS: There's nothing to be anxious about. I listen to NPR every day, and I can't sleep at night because of the world I live in. But blueberry pie, that's nothing but joy. It's time to bake this pie.

AUBREY: When we get the pie in the oven, Higgins tells me his story is a lot like mine. He didn't grow up baking much, because his mom didn't. The homemade pies in his house came from his grandmother.

HIGGINS: I make very good professional pie, but I don't think once ever it rivaled what my grandmothers did. There's something that grandmothers have been given by the forces of the universe.

AUBREY: Like, there's a secret (unintelligible).

HIGGINS: Yeah, there's something, yeah, a power or force greater than I that gives grandmothers special abilities.

AUBREY: And all of that got me thinking. Food is about memories, right? I mean, cakes are for parties or birthdays, but pie, pie's about home. It's about being taken care of or coming together at the table. And making a pie is quite literally a labor of love.

HIGGINS: Allison. Your pie is ready.

AUBREY: All right. This is the moment. We pull it out of the oven. It smells fabulous, right?

HIGGINS: Smells fabulous. In my estimation, it looks fabulous.

AUBREY: Even before slicing it, it's safe to say that I did not fail Pie Making 101.

HIGGINS: No, you did not fail. You did an excellent job. Yeah.

AUBREY: Even if the blueberry juice is baked over the top a little and the crimping looks kind of like a Play-Doh project, well, never mind. Now I get to taste it.

Mm, wow. I almost want to cry. That is so good.

HIGGINS: It is so good. It is so simple. Congratulations.


AUBREY: After everyone took a taste, Higgins wrapped the rest of the pie in a nice, white pastry box and tied it with twine, and I had to take one piece to my mom to let her try.

AUBREY: Mmm. Good job, Ally.


AUBREY: Thank you. So you approve?

AUBREY: I approve.

AUBREY: That's my daughter - who's almost two - babbling in the background, which means my mom is her grandmother now. And she says now that she's got the time, maybe she'll give pie-making another try.

AUBREY: When you see a homemade pie sitting on the counter, it does, it just says home sweet home.

GREENE: That last voice was Barbara Aubrey, mother of our own Allison Aubrey. Nice work, Allison. I'm going to run up to your desk and see if you have any pie sticking around there. Allison first told us this story over the summer.

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