Interview: Manil Suri, Author Of 'The City of Devi' As India and Pakistan inch closer to nuclear war, statistician Sarita teams up with Jaz, who is gay and nominally Muslim, to find her missing husband. Author Manil Suri says he pushed the envelope with his latest novel, the third in a series roughly based on the Hindu trinity.
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'City Of Devi' Sets A Love Triangle In Pre-Apocalyptic Mumbai

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'City Of Devi' Sets A Love Triangle In Pre-Apocalyptic Mumbai

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In Manil Suri's new novel, "City of Devi," India and Pakistan are about to have a nuclear war, India is roiled by factional violence between Hindus and Muslims, bombers strafe citizens, vigilantes settle scores, and terrorists - are they Pakistan's secret service, Muslim extremists, Hindu thugs, or Chinese provocateurs - set off dirty bombs around the country as Mumbai, that enormous, marvelous masala of humanity boils over with fear and fury. Did I mention it's also a sex comedy? "City of Devi" is Manil Suri's third novel in a series that's roughly based on a Hindu trinity, following the highly praised "The Death of Vishnu" and "The Age of Shiva." Manil Suri, who was born in Bombay/Mumbai and is now a professor of mathematics at the University of Maryland in Baltimore County, joins us in our studios. Thanks so much for being with us.

MANIL SURI: My pleasure.

SIMON: Where does the novel come from?

SURI: Well, it started 12 years ago. And I always had this idea of something pre-apocalyptic, when you know that the world is going to end and what are you going to be looking for? So, I have these characters who are kind of desperate because they know things might end very soon and they're really looking for the people that they love.

SIMON: Well, and to explain, because in the midst of the face of nuclear doom in India, the falling apart, you focus much of this story on a character named Sarita, who is searching for her husband, Karun, who's disappeared for might be totally unrelated reasons. Help us understand Sarita.

SURI: She's a statistician. I'm a mathematician, so I thought I'd have to put someone similar as a character, finally, in one of my novels. Playing with stereotypes, unfortunately, she's also a little reticent. She's not sure about her own attractiveness. So, when she finally does meet Karun...

SIMON: She's in her 30s at that point, yeah.

SURI: ...yes, she's in her 30s. you know, her mother thinks she's unmarried and that's terrible. So, when she meets Karun, she really invests all her love and affection in him, and it's not quite reciprocated in terms of sexual consummation of their marriage. And so, when he disappears and the world is coming to an end, she feels that she really needs to not only find him but also find what's been going on in her marriage.

SIMON: Sarita makes a pact with a man named Jaz...

SURI: That's right.

SIMON: ...whom a lot of people...

SURI: The notorious Jaz.

SIMON: ...a lot of people will find him a totally delightful and improbable character, impossible character. This is a Muslim gentleman who's gay.

SURI: And he's not only that but he's also grown up all over the world. He's a symbol of globalization in some sense. He's Muslim but only nominally so. His true religion is really more sex. I mean, when he discovers himself it's through the sexual act. And so he's really out there, he's very open about himself, he's very honest. And he knows how to have fun.

SIMON: And, without getting too specific, we should explain at some point a love triangle develops.

SURI: It does. And so that's something, a motif, that kind of runs throughout the book. There are these three main characters, Sarita, Jaz and Karun, and it's actually something that is reflected in the trinity of Vishnu, Shiva and Devi. Not a one-to-one correspondence, but there's that number three that keeps recurring. Also India, China and Pakistan, they form a triangle. And there's also this whole idea of Karun being a physicist, and all matter is made up of three generations of quarks. So, it all sort of comes together.

SIMON: Why do you think you've written three very good novels now that are set in India, but so far to my knowledge nothing set in Baltimore County?

SURI: I think, first of all, I mean, when I started this it was always meant to be a sort of triptych of three panels, you know, the present, the past and the future of not only Mumbai but India, because Mumbai's a representation of that. I've talked through this with other people, and what comes out is it really depends on where you grow up. I think that just gets emblazoned on your mind, and if I reach into myself for what is dramatic and what is fictionally fertile, Mumbai is what I reach towards. And that just keeps having more and more material that it gives to me. So, certainly in the future, maybe Baltimore County, but I feel that I haven't yet finished with Mumbai.

SIMON: Do you think it helps to write about India from another place of the world?

SURI: For me, it certainly does. I mean, if I were still in India - I grew up in, like, one room of a large apartment, and we were kind of the only Hindu family in a apartment that had three families of Muslims. So, you know, that's why I think the Hindu-Muslim thing keeps coming up in my novels. I don't think I would have had the space or the quiet to actually concentrate on fiction. I do think that coming here I can sort of see the country much more, much more like a globe, like you would see the moon from the Earth or vice versa. And I think, especially with this novel, I can see these relations like, OK, it's sitting there next to Pakistan and China, you know, all three of which are armed with nuclear weapons. So, that's one of the advantages.

SIMON: I have to ask in portraying a character like Jaz, do you have any concern about winding up on somebody's list or anything?

SURI: Well, you know, I sort of think - and this is something that is true of all novelists, hopefully - that writers have to be somewhat fearless. And so in preparation for Jaz, I tried to put myself out there. I even did a Bollywood dance which was a complete striptease in the middle of Brooklyn. And that kind of gave me the courage now and connecting with actually write this character. So, Jaz is out there. He's very honest.

SIMON: Could I get you to go back a little?


SIMON: Tell us about that Bollywood striptease.

SURI: So, this was something for the Brooklyn Book Festival, and the dare was, the challenge was, you could only read if you do something you've never done before. I went to India, I got a whole outfit and everything, and I had the music, I did the moves and everything. And I took off everything - not everything, I had a bra underneath. So, this was really out there for me. And it actually did give me the sense that I need to push the envelope. So, when it came to Jaz, I did push the envelope. I've just returned from India, and you know, I've been giving readings all over, and in Calcutta, I was told, well, this city is very conservative. Whatever you do, be sure you don't read out a Jaz scene, especially the ones with sex in it. So, naturally, that's exactly what I did. And fortunately, the city seems to have survived.

SIMON: Manil Suri, a math professor at the University of Maryland, Baltimore County, and one of the most acclaimed novelists now writing in America. His new novel, "The City of Devi." Thanks so much for being with us.

SURI: Thank you.




SIMON: I'm Scott Simon.

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