Rep. Ryan Unveils His Anti-Poverty Plan, A Rebuke To LBJ Programs The Wisconsin Republican is rolling out a plan that he says will fight poverty more effectively than the programs launched by former President Johnson's War on Poverty, but progressives are skeptical.
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Rep. Ryan Unveils His Anti-Poverty Plan, A Rebuke To LBJ Programs

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Rep. Ryan Unveils His Anti-Poverty Plan, A Rebuke To LBJ Programs

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For much of this year, Republicans have talked about finding new ways to get Americans out of poverty. But so far, they've offered few specifics. Today, Paul Ryan, the House Budget Committee chairman, unveiled his plan. He says it will help fix safety net programs that he calls fragmented and ineffective. NPR's Pam Fessler has the details.

PAM FESSLER, BYLINE: Here are the highlights of Ryan's plan. He would allow states to experiment with federal aid by merging things like food stamps, child care and welfare into something called an Opportunity Grant. He would expand tax credits for working adults. He would make it easier for those with criminal records to get jobs and for others to go to college. And he would track the results to make sure that these programs actually work. He says many existing one don't.

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PAUL RYAN: Too many families are working harder and harder, yet they're falling further and further behind.

FESSLER: Ryan told an audience at a Washington think tank that the answer is a healthy economy.

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RYAN: And a big part of that is having a safety net that is strong - both for those who cannot help themselves and for those who need just a helping hand to get up and going in life. That's our goal. See, the problem is that's not what we're getting.

FESSLER: He says the federal government spends hundreds of billions of dollars a year fighting poverty, but that the nation's poverty rates the high - 15 percent. His conclusion, like that of many Republicans, is that the system is broken - that more flexibility should be given to states and those on the frontlines who work directly with the poor, which makes many Democrats and anti-poverty advocates nervous.

DEBBIE WEINSTEIN: We have to ask, how real is Congressman Ryan's proposal?

FESSLER: Debbie Weinstein is executive director of the Coalition of Human Needs, a group of more than a hundred anti-poverty organizations. They've been fighting huge cuts in government spending, much of it proposed by Ryan's Budget Committee. The Wisconsin Republican insists that his plan won't reduce overall aid. But Weinstein is skeptical. She says there's already not enough money for things that poor people need like education and child care.

WEINSTEIN: So if he puts all the money together and he says, let's spend more money on child care. Then it's going to come from somewhere and it's going to come from taking food out of people's mouths.

FESSLER: Still, there are parts of Ryan's plan that could get bipartisan support, like expanding the earned income tax credit for childless adults. That's something that Democrats have also proposed. Although Ryan says he would pay four by cutting spending on social programs that Democrats like. There are also questions about his Opportunity Grant plan. It would basically be a pilot program, allowing states to customize aid to individual's needs. That person would also have to work or train for a job. Stewart Baker of the conservative Heritage Foundation applauds the idea. But he thinks states might need some financial incentives, like those included in a 1996 welfare reform law.

STEWART BAKER: To get people out of welfare and into independent work. I don't see that in this and I think that's an element that has to be looked at more carefully.

FESSLER: And Ryan admits that there are still lots of unknowns about what will and won't help the poor, which is why he says his plan is a discussion draft - that he's really just trying to start a conversation. Pam Fessler, NPR News, Washington.

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