For One Parliamentarian, A Stronger Jordan Is Key To Fighting ISIS : Parallels Arab youths dissatisfied with the present are looking longingly to the past, and Islam's glory days. That, and a dearth of opportunities, says Jordanian politician Rula Alhroob, make ISIS attractive.
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For One Parliamentarian, A Stronger Jordan Is Key To Fighting ISIS

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For One Parliamentarian, A Stronger Jordan Is Key To Fighting ISIS

For One Parliamentarian, A Stronger Jordan Is Key To Fighting ISIS

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ROBERT SIEGEL, HOST:

Among Jordan's various election laws over the years, one that advocates of reform and democratization there regard as a big step backwards was surprisingly the one they call one-person, one-vote, the law that's now in effect. What's wrong with one-person, one-vote? Well, the best answer that I heard when I was in Amman last week was from Doctor Omar Razzaz, an economist and banker. It has to do with the strong ties Jordanians feel to family, clan and tribe.

OMAR RAZZAZ: In 1989 elections, you voted for five candidates. And one of them was your uncle because you had to - socially, to do it. But then you had four to pick from who you picked based on meritocracy, based on their ability to represent you, their level of education, etc., etc. So when you bring it down to one, you know that the outcome is going to be uncles and grandparents and that stuff like that.

(LAUGHTER)

SIEGEL: If you're going to have only one vote to cast, you damn well better vote for your uncle.

RAZZAZ: Yes, yes.

SIEGEL: Now on the positive side, if you have a problem, your relative in Parliament, like any good ward-healer of old, can help you fix it. On the negative side, between the one-vote system and other provisions of election law, Jordan's parliament with 150 seats has no party with more than two seats. And that makes actual legislation difficult.

RULA ALHROOB: We want the Parliament to be efficient, but the Parliament will not be efficient unless we have political parties in the Parliament who could work and function as groups.

SIEGEL: That's Rula Alhroob. She's 47. She's been in Parliament for just two years. She is a self-described social democrat. Her Stronger Jordan party has two seats.

ALHROOB: We have formed parliamentary blocs, yet those blocs were a big failure. I joined one of those blocs earlier, and then I found out that we are not doing anything that is recognizable. I'm just wasting my time. So I withdrew from the bloc.

SIEGEL: I met Rula Alhroob at her office in the Parliament building. She has a doctorate in educational psychology. Her background is in journalism. She's been a columnist. She has a talk show. Getting into politics, she says, has been a tough transition.

ALHROOB: (Laughter). OK. This is a big jump from being a seeker of the truth to a field that is not really what could be called as truth defined.

SIEGEL: That's one of the most euphemistic statements that I've heard. Not exactly what could be defined as truth-pursuing.

ALHROOB: Exactly. Exactly. Politicians are trying to hide the truth from the public.

SIEGEL: Her party aims to make Jordan stronger through economic development and strong social benefits. The weaknesses of the country came up when we talked about the radicalization of young people and the attraction of ISIS. She cited a research study that she'd done at the University of Jordan. She found that 20 percent of students identify with the past - the early glory days of Islam. And about another 20 percent, typically those from wealthier backgrounds, identify with the future. Between those two groups, she says, are the majority of students who are unsure whether they would prefer the past or the future. The message of ISIS, she says, is alluring to many young Jordanians because it expresses the powerful pull of the past.

ALHROOB: We are here, and we are expanding, and we are going to revive the dreams of the Islamic State and - all over the world.

SIEGEL: Restoring the caliphate to power.

ALHROOB: Restoring the caliphate and...

SIEGEL: ...People - this resonates. People feel some sympathy with those symbols and those slogans, you say.

ALHROOB: They do. They do. They do.

SIEGEL: But you're talking about the kind of identity crises that older adolescents have all over the world, or are there specific problems in connecting with the present in this part of the world for young people?

ALHROOB: There is. There are so many problems in connecting with the present, and there are so many problems in the wish they have to revive history. They want to go back in history 1,400 years. They are living this crisis of identity. They don't find answers in the - in this society right now.

SIEGEL: What's so bad about the 21st century for these young people? What's not there for them?

ALHROOB: What's so bad is they realize that Arab states are weak states. And they realize that the Palestinian territories are occupied by the Israelis supported by the Americans, the British, the French and so on. What - this is called the modern world or the Western world. And they realize that they are uncapable of being strong. And they look at the past, and they find us very strong in the past. And this is why they want to revive the past - because it makes them feel prouder country.

SIEGEL: Rula Alhroob says the violence of ISIS appeals to young people in general. And to young Arabs, she says, the appeal is multiplied by unemployment.

ALHROOB: They graduate from universities. There is no chance of getting a job. And they get frustrated from the system. The system is corrupt in most of the Arab countries. The system lacks freedoms, lacks human rights culture. People are not treated as full humans, rather than as slaves in lots of the Arab countries. And put together, they cause the frustration of young people. And that is why you find among ISIS, doctors, engineers, schoolteachers, university teachers. You find very educated people going and joining ISIS.

SIEGEL: Rula Alhroob's prescription for Jordan - an economy that's strong enough that it doesn't need foreign aid, social benefits including free college education and an end to government corruption. Tomorrow we'll hear from the man who once would have been king, Jordan's philosopher prince, former Crown Prince Hussein.

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