Computers Still Dominate Human Opponents In Chess : All Tech Considered IBM's Deep Blue beat chess great Garry Kasparov in 1997. Humans and computers play the game differently, but have computers taught humans much about the game?
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20 Years Later, Humans Still No Match For Computers On The Chessboard

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20 Years Later, Humans Still No Match For Computers On The Chessboard

20 Years Later, Humans Still No Match For Computers On The Chessboard

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Next month, there's a World Chess Championship match in New York City. And the two competitors, the assembled grandmasters, the budding chess prodigies, the older chess fans, everyone paying attention will know this indisputable fact - a computer could win the match hands down. We've known as much for almost 20 years, ever since May 11, 1997.


UNIDENTIFIED ANNOUNCER: In an absolutely stunning, stunning 19-mover and - Kasparov has just simply stormed away...

SIEGEL: On that day, IBM's Deep Blue defeated the great Garry Kasparov, who after an early blunder resigned in defeat.


GARRY KASPAROV: I am ashamed by what I did at the end of his match. But so be it. I feel confident that machine hasn't proved anything yet.

SIEGEL: Kasparov's confidence proved unjustified. In the years since, computers have built on Deep Blue's 1997 breakthrough to the point where the battle between humans and machines is not even close.

ANDREW SOLTIS: Right now, there's no competition. The computers are just much too good.

SIEGEL: That's chess grandmaster, author and columnist Andrew Soltis.

SOLTIS: The world champion, Magnus Carlsen, won't even play his computer. He uses it to train, to recommend moves for future competition. But he won't play it because he just loses all the time. And there's nothing more depressing than losing without even being in the game.

SIEGEL: Magnus Carlsen, who's Norwegian, defends his title against Sergey Karjakin of Russia in November. Carlsen is 25, Karjakin 26. They have both arrived at the highest ranks of the game in an era when a hundred-dollar chess computer can easily dispose of them both. That superiority had been pursued and imagined for decades. There was a chess match in the movie "2001: A Space Odyssey." HAL, the computer, versus Frank, the astronaut.


GARY LOCKWOOD: (As Dr. Frank Poole) Rook to king one.

DOUGLAS RAIN: (As HAL 9000) I'm sorry, Frank. I think you missed it. Queen to bishop three. Bishop takes queen. Knight takes bishop. Mate.

SIEGEL: It was a tip-off that HAL was more than a match for his human crewmates.


LOCKWOOD: (As Dr. Frank Poole) Yeah, looks like you're right. I resign.

RAIN: (As HAL 9000) Thank you for a very enjoyable game.

LOCKWOOD: (As Dr. Frank Poole) Yeah, thank you.

SIEGEL: My question is, do HAL's real life progeny - computers that can see 30 moves into the future - do they play the game differently? Do they have a style? Have they taught humans new strategies? Well, Murray Campbell of IBM was part of the Deep Blue project, and as he says, chess computers do play differently. They make moves that sometimes make no sense to their human opponents.

MURRAY CAMPBELL: Computers don't have any sense of aesthetics or patterns that are standard the way people learn how to play chess. They play what they think is the objectively best move in any position, even if it looks absurd.

SIEGEL: Human chess players bring preconceptions to the board. Computers are unbound by habit.

CAMPBELL: And they can play any move, no matter how ugly it is.

RAIN: Grandmaster Andrew Soltis says unlike people, computers love to retreat.

SOLTIS: And if you see a game in which the - one of the players is doing a lot of retreating mysteriously and so on and the game goes on forever and ever, that's a computer.

SIEGEL: I asked Susan Polgar about the computer style of playing chess. She's a grandmaster and a six-time national collegiate champion chess coach. Computers do all that retreating, she says, because they're not slaves to human nature. Humans, she says, don't like to admit a mistake unless they really have to.

SUSAN POLGAR: And in those borderline cases when it's not obvious that you have to retreat, chess players tend to not like to retreat. Let's say you move a knight forward towards your opponent's king, attacking. Unless you absolutely have to retreat, you rather try to follow up that attack by bringing more pieces to attack your opponent's king.

SIEGEL: Computers display no such stubbornness.

POLGAR: A computer, if it calculates that the best move is to retreat, it has absolutely no psychological bond there is holding it back from retreating.

SIEGEL: One of the human players in November's match - Magnus Carlsen, the world champion - was described to me as playing a very un-computer-like game of chess. Frankly, I have no idea what that means. But Susan Polgar gave me an example. Carlsen, she says, can win with different kinds of strategy. And he might choose his strategy based on what he knows about his opponent.

POLGAR: Against one opponent that loves having queens on the board - the most dangerous attacking piece - he would make sure - he would try to get rid of the queens as soon as possible and put his opponent in a more uncomfortable setting on the chessboard.

SIEGEL: To the great human chess champion, understanding the foibles of his foe can be a key to victory. To a computer, all opponents look the same. Susan Polgar says computers are great training aids for her chess teams. And she says computers have solved several age-old chess problems, questions of how to win when there are very few pieces on the board.

Chess writer Andrew Soltis is less charitable to the machines that humans programmed to play chess, and that now beat their former masters routinely. They may have nerves of silicon. They may be indefatigable and immune to psychological distraction. But Soltis says they haven't imparted much wisdom about the game.

SOLTIS: We sort of had a social contract, we thought, with the computers many years ago. We would teach them how to play chess. They would teach us more about chess. They haven't lived up to their side of the bargain.

SIEGEL: The real pay-off from teaching computers to play chess may not have anything to do with the game. Murray Campbell of IBM says it's a lesson taken from that experience that has propelled artificial intelligence research in the years since.

CAMPBELL: Humans have certain strengths and weaknesses. Computers have certain strengths and weaknesses. Computers plus humans do better than either one alone.

SIEGEL: Computers have the advantage of brute force. They can mine huge amounts of information. But humans, Campbell says, still excel at evaluating that information and coming up with a plan that works. He says that's especially true as researchers use computers to take on messy real world problems full of unknowns, problems like combating climate change or curing cancer.

CAMPBELL: I think many of the common board games don't have the unknown element in it. Now, they may have chance elements. A game like backgammon, for example, there's roll of the dice. But you can calculate the probabilities quite accurately. When there's unknowns, there's things you just - are hidden from you. And even the alternatives, the things you can do, can't be just set down and enumerated. There's maybe too many possible actions you can take. That's the challenge for modern artificial intelligence research.

SIEGEL: Well, meanwhile back at the chessboard, two of the best human chess players in the world - champion Magnus Carlsen and challenger Sergey Karjakin - play their championship in Manhattan's South Street Seaport, starting November 11.

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