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Life on the moon is no bed of roses. The coffee's weak because water boils at low temperature. The food is rank because it's hard and expensive to grow much more than algae on the lunar surface. Artemis, the first human colony on the moon, is essentially a small frontier mining town and tourist trap and a place that attracts misfits who hope to strike it rich, including a young woman who grew up there named Jazz. "Artemis" is the second novel by Andy Weir, the former software engineer who struck it rich himself with his first novel, "The Martian." He joins us now from Palo Alto, Calif. Thanks so much for being with us.
ANDY WEIR: Thanks for having me.
SIMON: And tell us about this place that is at once otherworldly and gritty, Artemis.
WEIR: Well, it's a tourist town. The money comes into the system through tourism, mainly. And so I'd modeled it - kind of the social structures and the way things work - after tourist towns in the Caribbean, stuff like that where you have the really ritzy, nice, high-class hotels in one part of town and then the more, shall we say, austere living conditions of the people who live and work there.
SIMON: And tell us about Jazz - Jasmine, your protagonist. She's a porter but really a smuggler, Saudi by birth but really the first generation of people who consider themselves to be citizens of the moon.
WEIR: Yeah, exactly. She's very similar - I mean, I've seen this a lot with friends who are first-generation Americans, where you see the parents have the kind of original social norms and belief systems of the kind of mother country. And then the kids grow up, and they end up completely Americanized and part of our culture. Jazz is the same thing. She and her father moved to Artemis when she was just 6 years old. And so she's grown up there, and she considers herself an Artemisian. She is a citizen of Saudi Arabia, but she doesn't have much connection to the kingdom.
SIMON: What came first in your mind, Mr. Weir, the story, the character or this place, Artemis?
WEIR: The place. Basically, I wanted to write a story that took place in the first city that was not on Earth. And I thought about Mars. I thought about low Earth orbit. But the moon is the obvious place to build it. If you were on a football field, and you were standing at one goal line, and if Mars were at the other goal line, the moon would be four inches in front of you.
SIMON: Oh. Oh.
WEIR: That is the distance scale between them. So, yeah, colonizing Mars before you colonize the moon would be like if the ancient Britons colonized North America before they colonized Wales.
SIMON: "The Martian" was such an enormous and fabled success - I mean, an early example of what amounts to how successful self-publishing could be. And then, of course, Crown bought the rights to it and republished it. Publishers must have been after you for almost any idea. How did you - for a second book, how did you settle on this?
WEIR: Well, actually, I didn't initially settle on this. So Crown was like, all right. What do you want for the next book? And I had already been a little bit into a book called "Zhek" - Z-H-E-K. And I said, like, well, this - this is what I'm working on. They're like, good. Deal. Here. Sign this contract there. Have it done in a year. Bye. So I got about 70,000 words in. And I just realized it wasn't good. It wasn't any good. And so it was a very difficult decision, but I asked a publisher - I was like, hey, I don't think this is working. I want to start over with a completely different book. Is that OK? (Laughter) They're like, um, OK? But we're going to want to hear about the next book first (laughter). And so I pitched them "Artemis." And I'm so glad that I made that decision. It was really painful at the time, but I'm so glad I made the decision. Artemis is so much better than "Zhek" could've been.
SIMON: Yeah. Well, do you - I mean, do you sit down with a large sheet of drawing paper and draw what the moon colony looks like in your imagination? How did you create this?
WEIR: Well, I did make a map. But, really, I - cities are always formed via economics. And so I started with that. And I said, all right. So I want to build a city on the moon. There is enough demand for tourism on the moon that it would be viable. So let's start with, how do I build a city at all on the moon? Well, I don't want to transport everything there. I want to make it out of local materials. So if I'm going to do that, well, what materials do I want to make it out of? Some research shows that there is a mineral on the moon called anorthite, which is extremely plentiful. And you can just pick it up off the surface, you don't even need to dig for it.
So I'm like, OK, the first thing you need to do is have a refinery, a smelting facility to turn ore into metal and oxygen. And then you build the city out of that metal. But smelting minerals takes an enormous amount of power, way more than you could ever hope to get with solar. So I'm like, all right. Then we're going to need some reactors. OK. So put some reactors on the moon. And I worked forward from there. And, yeah, no, I had a lot of fun doing the worldbuilding. That part's always fun on a book. The hard part is those pesky characters and plot and narration and stuff.
WEIR: But if I could just - if I could get paid just to write Wikipedia articles about "Artemis," I'd be set for life (laughter).
SIMON: Andy Weir - his novel "Artemis." Thanks so much for being with us.
WEIR: Thanks for having me.
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