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The long and growing list of high-profile men losing their jobs after sexual harassment allegations is part of a big cultural change in the workplace. But is that change driven by differences in views on sexual harassment among generations? Or is it driven by bigger workplace changes? NPR's Yuki Noguchi talked to three generations of workplace experts and has this report.
YUKI NOGUCHI, BYLINE: Seattle executive consultant Kim Arellano teaches classes on generational differences. Sexual harassment, she says, makes for the liveliest discussions. She says baby boomer women, some of whose careers predate civil rights laws barring sex discrimination, typically characterize their experiences this way.
KIM ARELLANO: You just put up with it, you know, smiled, giggled and just moved on and tried to get your work done and avoid any embarrassing situations because the only other recourse was to leave.
NOGUCHI: Arellano is 47 and a member of Generation X. She says women her age were taught the rules and regulations governing sexual harassment but seldom used them to report problems. Arellano recalls the horrified reaction of a young 20-something listening to her older cohorts.
ARELLANO: She crossed her arms and she says, I cannot believe that any of you would put up with that in the workplace.
NOGUCHI: The dozens of recent high-profile cases, including at NPR, prompted Arellano to rethink those conversations and wonder, are the swift dismissals a result of a shift in generational thinking? There's little academic research on this subject, but Arellano says she now suspects the change isn't that younger women today perceive sexual harassment differently. Rather, it's that younger workers today expect the power dynamic at work to be more egalitarian with less top-down management, and that that is changing the dynamic for all workers.
ARELLANO: The newest generation looks at the work environment really as a partnership and engage differently as opposed to the hierarchical structures that we've been so used to in the past - really is an evolution of the workplace.
NOGUCHI: In fact, all of the experts I interviewed agreed with this point. Phyllis Hartman is a human resource consultant near Pittsburgh in her late 60s. She says early in her career, hierarchy was closely intertwined with gender politics.
PHYLLIS HARTMAN: When I was coming up, men were worried about women taking their jobs. And so it was like, well, you know, we're not going to let them tell us what to do. We're just going to behave the way we've always behaved, so demanding they get fired and that kind of thing. Would those women have gotten anywhere? I mean, did they really have a choice?
NOGUCHI: She says one big difference now is that more workers these days, both women and men, don't feel beholden to their employer. They expect to move up or they'll move out.
HARTMAN: And so the expectations that they're going to move up and they're going to take over are different than both men and women in my generation, where people were given to believe that you had to work your way up and you had to play the game.
NOGUCHI: Georgene Huang founded a women's job review website called Fairygodboss, which last month released a survey on sexual harassment. Huang says the most disturbing finding is that despite what news reports about top executives might suggest, women are more often sexually harassed by their peers than their bosses, and harassers are predominantly men under the age of 40. That, she says, underscores how pervasive the problem remains. At 37, Huang considers herself an older millennial and would like to think her generation is less tolerant of harassment. But as a young intern on Capitol Hill, she says she and her colleagues stayed silent about rampant sexual harassment.
GEORGENE HUANG: The fact that we openly talked about that as a class of interns and didn't really think to do anything or to complain.
NOGUCHI: That silence, she says, was common to all generations. It's the breaking of the silence that's changed, says Elizabeth McLeod. She's 24 and works in Atlanta as a workplace consultant.
ELIZABETH MCLEOD: I don't know if it's as much of a generational difference as it is how technology has impacted the conversation around sexual harassment. Now there's this constant conversation about it online. So it's much less isolating, which kind of brings it to the top of everyone's attention.
NOGUCHI: McLeod says she sees women her own age and her mother's age breaking their silence all at the same time.
MCLEOD: The rising conversation has given voice to a lot of experiences that were just pushed beneath the surface for 20, 30 years.
NOGUCHI: Yuki Noguchi, NPR News, Washington.
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