LULU GARCIA-NAVARRO, HOST:
Geneva Robertson-Dworet is one of the rarest things in Hollywood - a female superhero screenwriter. Her resume includes "Tomb Raider" and the upcoming "Captain Marvel." She's a breakout success in a billion-dollar industry that has long been dominated by men. I asked her what it was like working on the Marvel Universe's first-ever female-fronted movie.
GENEVA ROBERTSON-DWORET: Marvel really went above and beyond with "Captain Marvel." Not only do they have Anna Boden, who, along with Ryan Fleck, is directing the movie. That's her directing partner. But they had many female writers working on the project. And they also had female producers in the room. And that is really rare to have that many women involved behind the scenes in a project.
GARCIA-NAVARRO: But the industry still has a problem, which is, you know...
ROBERTSON-DWORET: It sure does.
GARCIA-NAVARRO: Yeah, which is - you can see the numbers, right? Of the top 100 films last year, women accounted for only 11 percent of all writers. That is not a lot. That is not a lot.
ROBERTSON-DWORET: No, that's absolutely true. My female genre writer friends and I talk all the time about how you could count the number of women who do what we do on two hands. Like, we know each other. So when I go up for jobs that are in the superhero space or in the action space that has a female lead, I'll usually know all the other writers who are competing for the project. And I'd say that's a problem that there's so few of us.
And we want - we're already sort of talking amongst ourselves about, how can we help other women, who want to do what we're doing, do it? But, you know, it's also been amazingly collaborative with these other female genre writers. For example, my friend Lindsey Beer and I found out a while ago when we worked on "Dungeons & Dragons" that it was down to the two of us. One of us was going to get the job. And we actually called each other up.
ROBERTSON-DWORET: And we were just like, what if we just wrote it together? What if we said to the studio, let us collaborate. Let us team. It'll be, you know, you'll get something even better than if just one of us wrote it. And it was great. We wrote it together. The studio said yes.
GARCIA-NAVARRO: It's amazing when you talk about how few women do what you do. So I have to know how you broke into the industry. It sounds like it's tough.
ROBERTSON-DWORET: It is. I actually - it's also really interesting how women executives and women producers gave me all my first chances. So I think that also needs to be part of the discussion is, you know, women hire women - at least my personal experience. So, you know, we need to have, as part of the discussion, not just more female writers, more female directors but also more female executives.
GARCIA-NAVARRO: I read an interview where you said that male executives and filmmakers are still scared to give a woman the same specificity that they give a male character. What would you like to see in a blockbuster heroine?
ROBERTSON-DWORET: It can be very project-specific. You know, one of the things I really loved about "Wonder Woman" was seeing her sensitivity and femininity were allowed within the context of an action hero. That blew us away because so often when we are writing these genre movies, we are told to cut that out because it's sort of imagined like, oh. Well, she couldn't be this sensitive if she's also going to kick ass in two seconds. So that, you know, really moved me about "Wonder Woman."
But yeah, it's definitely a problem. I've had, you know, directors - male directors tell me, like, oh. Like, I just want her to be a normal girl for their hero. And that's really depressing because what's a normal girl? Have you met a normal girl?
GARCIA-NAVARRO: I certainly haven't. Are there challenges about how women are portrayed in superhero movies? - because they're frequently sex symbols. How do you think about that representation when you're writing scripts? I mean, are there still demands for women to be, you know, not only normal but sexy - sexy normal?
ROBERTSON-DWORET: Well, superheroes do represent our fantasies. Like, you don't exactly see any Homer Simpson-shaped male superheroes either. You know, me, personally - I have to say that, for example, watching "Wonder Woman," I thought I was going to be bothered by her costume. And then it actually had the opposite effect for me. I thought that, like - I was like, oh. Like, looking at the photos, I was like, oh, man. You can really see a lot of skin here. Like, is she just going to be this sex object?
But no, I actually found that to be really moving when I was watching the movie that you could see her legs and her muscles. And it reminded you that this is a woman doing this and that she is just as strong and just as tough as any male superhero you've ever seen.
GARCIA-NAVARRO: Geneva Robertson-Dworet, superhero writer. Thank you so much.
ROBERTSON-DWORET: Thank you so much. Really appreciate it.
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