PETER SAGAL, HOST:
Before we close the door on 2018, we're bringing you some of our favorite moments from recent shows.
BILL KURTIS: Like the time we visited Milwaukee and talked to actor Glenn Close. Peter asked her about growing up in Africa.
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GLENN CLOSE: Yes. My father was in the former Belgian Congo for 16 years being a doctor.
SAGAL: Right - he was a doctor...
PAULA POUNDSTONE: Wow.
SAGAL: ...In the Belgian Congo. So - and was it true that he occasionally worked with the dictator of the time, Mobutu Sese Seko? Is that right?
CLOSE: Yeah. He was his doctor.
UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE: Wow.
SAGAL: So you...
CLOSE: He knew him when he was a colonel.
SAGAL: Wow. So did you get to hang out with the dictator of the Congo?
CLOSE: (Laughter) No.
CLOSE: Actually, I was involved in a singing group after I graduated from high school. So I was kind of traveling around myself.
ADAM FELBER: Glenn, you're in a safe place. If it was an a cappella group, you can tell us.
SAGAL: I actually wanted to ask you about this.
POUNDSTONE: I love a cappella.
SAGAL: The group was the famous Up with People. Is that right?
CLOSE: That's right.
POUNDSTONE: Oh, my gosh.
FELBER: A lot in that...
POUNDSTONE: I loved Up with People. Do you still have a V-neck sweater? Just say it.
CLOSE: No, I have to say I got rid of all my V-neck sweaters.
SAGAL: So I want to put this delicately. And you can say as much as you want. But my understanding is that, in those early days of Up with People, it was kind of weird.
CLOSE: It was. I don't know how much you want to talk about.
SAGAL: For people who might be younger, Up with People was this wonderfully cheerful group of mostly white people singing very cheerful songs. And we saw them a lot at Super Bowl halftime shows in the '80s. But...
SAGAL: And so were a part of that but earlier, right?
CLOSE: I was. I was part of the first group.
SAGAL: And so what was weird about it?
CLOSE: It was very controlled. It was the offshoot of what basically was a cult group.
CLOSE: Oh, yeah.
SAGAL: And so what was the purpose of a cult? Did you have, like, a messiah figure in the middle?
CLOSE: Oh, any cult is to make the world better but their way.
SAGAL: And what was their solution - V-neck sweaters and cheerful white people? What was it?
CLOSE: Yes. You had...
FELBER: In a word.
SAGAL: Cults are notoriously difficult to leave. Did you have to be, like, kidnapped? Or did you have to escape in any way? Or did you say...
CLOSE: I - you know, I mean, we can laugh about it. But it was incredibly traumatic. And I...
CLOSE: ...I finally left. And I - at 22 years old, I went to William & Mary and became a freshman at 22.
SAGAL: Oh, really. Oh, I didn't know that...
SAGAL: That was before college. I want to cover this. It turns out that you, I believe, are tied with two other actresses from many, many years ago for the most Oscar nominations without winning one for best actress. And people...
CLOSE: Isn't that great?
SAGAL: Well, I wanted to ask you about this.
POUNDSTONE: But you know what? Glenn, if they throw in an additional category, the most Oscar nominations and leaving a cult, then you win.
SAGAL: Yeah, that's true.
SAGAL: But a number of people have said that in the new film that - coming out now, "The Wife," in which you star as the wife - that this might be it. This might be the movie that finally gets Glenn Close her Oscar. People really care about that it seems...
FELBER: Or sole possession of the record.
SAGAL: It's true one way or another.
FELBER: You win either way.
SAGAL: I wanted to ask what you think about that.
CLOSE: Well, it might be nice to keep the record going.
SAGAL: That's true.
POUNDSTONE: Yeah, honestly.
POUNDSTONE: Right. That's how I feel about my losses on WAIT WAIT.
SAGAL: I do have to ask you about what I think is your most famous role out of the many, many, many films you've done, which is, of course, "Fatal Attraction." And that was the first time that you had played a villain - right? - because the roles that you were before were very heroic. You were like the force of good in "The Natural." And so was it - I imagine it must have been fun to play a psychopath.
CLOSE: Oh, I absolutely - I was not playing a psychopath.
CLOSE: Oh, no.
SAGAL: You were...
CLOSE: But I know where you live.
FELBER: That was chilling.
SAGAL: Hang on. I have to call home. Hide the bunny.
SAGAL: Actually, one other - I was reading something that you said that since making that film - it was some years ago. But you say that people have come up to you and talked about that film and said to you, quote, "you saved my marriage." And I...
SAGAL: And I don't know what that means. Did...
SAGAL: Were people saying to you...
CLOSE: Well, because - it's women who say that, by the way.
SAGAL: And what do they mean by that?
CLOSE: Well, they mean that said I scared the [expletive] out of their husbands.
KURTIS: It's so true.
SAGAL: Well, Glenn Close, we're delighted and honored to talk to you. But we have, in fact, asked you here to play a game we're calling...
SAGAL: (Imitating Elmer Fudd) Be Vewy, Vewy Quiet. We're Hunting Wabbits.
SAGAL: I say this with some sadness, but for all your remarkable achievements in theater and film, you will always be associated with a particular rabbit who sadly did not end up well but simply and deliciously prepared.
SAGAL: We thought we'd ask you three questions about live rabbits. Answer two of them correctly, you'll win our prize for one of our listeners - the voice of their choice from our show on their voicemail. Bill, who is Glenn Close playing for?
KURTIS: Susan Wernecke (ph) of Cedarburg, Wisc.
SAGAL: All right.
SAGAL: Nearby, apparently. So here's your first question about live, healthy, happy rabbits. One of the greatest days in rabbit history was when a group of rabbits accomplished what feat? A, they stole the world's largest carrot from a Guinness World Records display...
SAGAL: ...B, they defeated General Napoleon Bonaparte in a pitched battle; or C, represented by a human lawyer, they successfully sued Bugs Bunny for copyright infringement.
CLOSE: I'd do the third one.
SAGAL: You'd do the third one, that the rabbit sued Bugs Bunny for copyright infringement.
UNIDENTIFIED AUDIENCE: (Booing).
SAGAL: No. Actually, it's not. It was they defeated Napoleon Bonaparte.
SAGAL: True story - Naboleon Pona (ph)...
CLOSE: How did they defeat Napoleon?
SAGAL: Napoleon decided to throw a party for his generals and aides. And it was going to be a rabbit-hunting party. And he took them out in the field. And he gave everybody guns. This was fun, I guess, in the early 18th century. And they released the rabbits. But instead of running and hiding and making themselves interesting to hunt, the rabbits all turned and attacked Napoleon...
SAGAL: ...And his aides, driving them back into their coach. And they ran away terrified.
FELBER: There's no way that's true.
SAGAL: It's absolutely true.
POUNDSTONE: No. You know why it's true? The victors write the history.
SAGAL: It's true.
CLOSE: Oh, my God.
SAGAL: All right. You still have two more chances, so I'm not particularly worried. Rabbits have played their role in American history as well as when which of these happened? A, a crazed rabbit attacked then-President Jimmy Carter; B, Senator John Mitchell resigned after being photographed in his special sexy rabbit costume...
SAGAL: ...Or C, when drunk late at night, the Nixon tapes caught that president talking to his imaginary best friend, a bunny named Max.
CLOSE: Oh, my Lord.
CLOSE: I'd go with the first one.
SAGAL: You're going to go with the first one. You're right.
SAGAL: Those of us who were alive back then might remember it. The famous incident happened when Carter was fishing in a pond back home in Georgia. And this rabbit, he says, got in the water and swam straight towards him with murder in its eye.
SAGAL: And he actually fended it off with a oar.
SAGAL: So all right. This is your last question. If you get this right, you win for our listener. A rabbit, of course, is playing a role in today's politics as well in what way? A, Ivanka Trump has been accused of selling non-humanely raised rabbit fur underwear; B, among the charges against Congressman Duncan Hunter of California, he used campaign funds to buy a plane seat for a rabbit; or C, Education Secretary Betsy DeVos named her daughter's pet rabbit undersecretary for administration?
CLOSE: So I know that it's the second one.
SAGAL: And you are right.
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SAGAL: Among the charges in Mr. Hunter's indictment, he spent $600 of campaign funds to fly his family's pet rabbit. Mr. Hunter says it was a, quote, "oversight" - happens to anybody.
SAGAL: Bill, how did Glenn Close do on our quiz?
KURTIS: She got two out of three. And that's a win for us, Glenn.
SAGAL: Glenn Close is an award-winning actress. Thank you so much for talking to us. What a pleasure.
POUNDSTONE: Bye, Glenn.
SAGAL: Thank you.
CLOSE: Thank you.
FELBER: Bye, Glenn.
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