MSF Afghanistan Says Health-Care System Is In 'Limbo' After Taliban Takeover : Goats and Soda Filipe Ribeiro of Doctors Without Borders Afghanistan talks to NPR about the future of the country's health care system under Taliban rule.

Afghanistan's Health Care Is In 'Limbo' Following Taliban Takeover, Says MSF Rep

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MARY LOUISE KELLY, HOST:

About two weeks ago, we heard from Filipe Ribeiro. He runs the Afghanistan office of Doctors Without Borders. This was back when the Taliban and fighting were just moving into Afghan cities - cities like Lashkar Gah in southern Afghanistan. And hospitals where his teams were working were reporting a flood of civilian injuries. Well, two weeks later, we're looking at a new reality in Afghanistan, and hospitals are facing new challenges. We wanted to check back with Ribeiro, who is still in Kabul, to find out where things stand for his team of doctors at MSF - Medecins Sans Frontieres. Mr. Ribeiro, hi. I'm glad to speak to you again.

FILIPE RIBEIRO: Good afternoon. How are you?

KELLY: I am well. Let's start with the situation in Lashkar Gah because you were describing just a horrific number of challenges there two weeks ago - all kinds of injuries due to bombs and fighting and people unable to reach the hospital. What is your team reporting?

RIBEIRO: Nowadays, Lashkar Gah is much calmer. Peace is back, which is good for the population and very good for our team, too. They can have some rest or at least be less stressed than they were. What we are witnessing is a lot, a lot of patients coming back to the hospital. Those who couldn't access us during the fighting are now showing up. Just to give you an idea, yesterday alone, we receive something like 870 patients in the emergency room.

KELLY: Wow - more than 800 patients at the emergency room. You have - also, your team's been delivering babies.

RIBEIRO: Quite a lot, actually - 50 yesterday alone...

KELLY: Wow.

RIBEIRO: ...Which is good. Yeah, situation is back to a kind of normal hospital. We, of course, are seeing patients, people who couldn't reach us during the fighting. Now they are showing up with all the wounds or all the kind of medical emergency. The hospital is full - 300-bed hospital already full. One of the big, big concerns will be the fate of the health system. Nowadays somehow it collapsed, and population will have more and more difficulties to have access to proper medical care.

KELLY: Yeah. Is there a functioning health ministry in Afghanistan at the moment that you can work with?

RIBEIRO: There is a kind of in between. Nothing is clear yet. Some of the health facilities resume work, but not all of them. The health system in Afghanistan was fully dependent from the outside, the foreign aid. Let's see if the donors will continue supporting the health system.

KELLY: Yeah. Has the Taliban reached out to you? Have you had any contact?

RIBEIRO: Yes, we did in all of the provinces where we do work - from Kunduz to Lashkar Gah, Khost, Kandahar, of course, and Herat. And for the time being, they have to say that we can work without a problem from the side. And let's see how it goes, how it will go in the future.

KELLY: With everything else going on in Afghanistan at the moment, the fact that we are all still in the middle of a pandemic I'm sure can almost get lost. But what is the situation with COVID?

RIBEIRO: Yeah. I mean, basically, as you can imagine, people have something like 100 problems, and COVID is just one of them. We are, it looks like, at the end of the third wave. My main concern is indeed the fourth wave of COVID. And as you can imagine, nothing is ready, and no one is really prepared. And vaccination was very limited in the country. The COVAX only sent something like half a million dose, no more than that. They did receive some support from India, from China. But we are far from having in the country what is needed for the vaccination.

KELLY: And how about the security situation for your teams? We're obviously all watching heartbreaking images of many, many people trying to leave Afghanistan. For now, it sounds like you are staying put, you are able to operate.

RIBEIRO: Yeah, we are able to operate in the different project locations. Everything is so far, so good. One of the big concerns for us is the fact that the teams are cut off. We cannot reach them by plane. To us, as I mentioned, injuries will be very soon supply. How are we going to get this stuff in - medicines, drugs, whatsoever - because there is a dysfunctional or non-functional administration. But also to get people in and out - things as basic as having a visa - it's almost impossible for the time being.

KELLY: Filipe Ribeiro, representative of Doctors Without Borders in Afghanistan. Mr. Ribeiro, thank you. Good to talk to you again.

RIBEIRO: Thanks to you, and have a good day.

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