LINDA WERTHEIMER, Host:
Quil, I know these results are preliminary, but is it already being called an upset?
QUIL LAWRENCE: Oh, absolutely. A shock to most people in the north of Iraq and Kurdistan. People were predicting that this Change movement might get five seats. Some of the established parties were allowing that maybe they would get 12. And it's looking like they got at least 25, which means they'll - they probably won't be able to form the government - the new parliament. The traditional parties will still do that. But they'll definitely be able to cause trouble, become a real opposition, and influence some of the choice of ministers up there.
WERTHEIMER: Well, now the two main parties that you're saying will probably still form the government, they had a lock in politics for decades. How did they lose their hold?
LAWRENCE: The leader of the Change List, Noshirvan Mustafa, is himself an old guerilla fighter. He'd been sort of inside maneuvering for years. And he told me that this was huge for him.
NOSHIRVAN MUSTAFA: But we don't like to Change just the faces and the persons. We want to change the political system. We want to separate the political parties from the public life. It will be the most important achievement in my life.
LAWRENCE: Now, Noshirvan Mustafa is 65 years old. He's hardly a fresh face in Kurdish politics. But he does seem to have opened it up for the future that people who aren't associated with these two traditional parties might care to run.
WERTHEIMER: So how does what happened in Kurdistan compare to the election held in the rest of Iraq earlier in the year?
LAWRENCE: The other interesting issue is that this election might've been the first sort of post-conflict election here in Iraq, where people weren't voting just on issues of security and sort of huddling around their sectarian or ethnic leaders to protect them from violence. This was more of an open political process where people they kind of dared to take a risk, because maybe they aren't so afraid about security issues.
WERTHEIMER: Thanks very much, Quil.
LAWRENCE: Thank you.
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