LIANE HANSEN, Host:
And joining us this week from member station WABE in Atlanta is puzzle master Will Shortz. Hey, Will.
WILL SHORTZ: Hi, Liane.
HANSEN: What are you doing in Atlanta?
SHORTZ: Well, it's this interesting event. It's called A Gathering For Gardner, it's a tribute to Martin Gardner, who was the long-time mathematical recreations columnist in Scientific American. And there's puzzlers, mathematicians and magicians here from all over the world for talks and performances of magic. It's just a great time.
HANSEN: Oh, I love it, magicians. You know Carl Kasell is a magician.
SHORTZ: I did not know that.
HANSEN: All right. Well, you gave us a challenge last week and it was hard. I mean, stymied me. So, let's repeat the challenge.
SHORTZ: Yes. I said take the plural name of an animal, take the singular name of another animal, say the two words out loud one after the other and you'll name a country. What are the animals and what is the country?
HANSEN: And your answer?
SHORTZ: Well, the animals are gnus G-N-U-S and an eland E-L-A-N-D - both animals from Africa - say them together you say gnus-eland or New Zealand.
HANSEN: Wow. I never would've gotten eland. It's the first time I've ever seen that word. But apparently enough people were stymied because we did have over 1,100 entries but sometimes we get a lot more than that. But out of those we have a winner: Jay Livingston from New York City. Hi, Jay.
JAY LIVINGSTON: Hello.
HANSEN: So, how long did it take you to solve this puzzle?
LIVINGSTON: Gee, I don't remember. I remember my first guess was Spain but I knew that couldn't be right. So...
HANSEN: But you knew what an eland was.
LIVINGSTON: Well, it's because I do crosswords and that's where you find elands.
HANSEN: Interesting. Right, yeah. Okay. That answers my question. How long have you been playing our puzzle?
LIVINGSTON: Since Eisenhower's first term.
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HANSEN: That's long enough. What do you do?
LIVINGSTON: I teach at a university.
HANSEN: Oh, all right. And it sounds like you're ready to play.
HANSEN: All right. Will, meet Jay; Jay, meet Will. Let's play.
SHORTZ: All right, Jay. I'm going to give you clues for two words. Each of the words has two syllables. The first vowel sound in the first word is a short I; change it to a long-I sound and phonetically you'll get a new word that answers the second clue. For example, if I said: one who breaks one of the Ten Commandments and John Hancock, for one, you would say sinner and signer.
HANSEN: Oh, okay.
SHORTZ: All right. Here's number one. And if you get the answer after my first clue, just feel free to jump in. Here's your first clue: my cousin in a 1992 film and...
LIVINGSTON: Vinny and viney.
SHORTZ: That's correct. And your second clue is like the walls of Ivy League schools. Number two is an agricultural worker and...
LIVINGSTON: Picker and piker?
SHORTZ: No. And your second clue is president after Harrison.
LIVINGSTON: A tiller and a Tyler.
SHORTZ: That's correct. Not flat, as terrain.
LIVINGSTON: Oh, hilly and highly.
SHORTZ: Right. Extremely was your second clue.
SHORTZ: Half of a symbol of communism.
LIVINGSTON: Sickle and cycle.
SHORTZ: That's right. Wash or spin for a washing machine. Argue, to argue.
LIVINGSTON: Oh, bicker and biker.
SHORTZ: That's it. Hell's Angel, for example, good.
HANSEN: Here I am on quibble, you know, what can I say.
SHORTZ: And there's no quible(ph).
HANSEN: No, there isn't...
SHORTZ: All right. Try this one: more cool, more cool.
LIVINGSTON: Hipper and hyper.
SHORTZ: That's it. Your second clue is over-excited. How about overly prim and precise.
HANSEN: Would the second clue be expensive?
SHORTZ: Yes, it is. Good job.
HANSEN: So, it would be prissy and pricy.
SHORTZ: Prissy and pricy, nice work. Wisconsin College.
LIVINGSTON: Ripon and ripen.
SHORTZ: That's it - too mature - that's correct. Half of humankind.
LIVINGSTON: Women and Wyman.
SHORTZ: That's right - Ronald Reagan's first wife. Resident of England, Scotland or Wales.
LIVINGSTON: A Briton and brighten.
SHORTZ: That's correct. Your second clue is become sunny. A cooking utensil.
LIVINGSTON: Dipper and diaper, no.
HANSEN: I like that.
LIVINGSTON: A cooking utensil.
SHORTZ: A cooking utensil, something you...
LIVINGSTON: Skillet and sky lit, no.
SHORTZ: That's right. Illuminated, like an atrium.
LIVINGSTON: Oh, sky lit, okay.
SHORTZ: Yes. And your last one is get bigger as a cloud.
LIVINGSTON: Get bigger as a cloud.
HANSEN: Thicken? No.
SHORTZ: What do clouds, what do clouds...
LIVINGSTON: Sicken and siken(ph), no.
HANSEN: There's no siken.
LIVINGSTON: That's not a word.
HANSEN: We can make up words, that's fine. What do clouds do? They get bigger.
SHORTZ: Like a cumulus cloud would get bigger; what do you say? Okay. And your second clue is...
LIVINGSTON: Bellow and below, no, bi-low, no, that's.
SHORTZ: Yes, you got it. And the second clue is part of a stock market mantra, which is...
LIVINGSTON: Oh, buy low.
SHORTZ: Buy low, sell high.
SHORTZ: So you got it - billow to buy low.
LIVINGSTON: Oh, you're doing single words.
HANSEN: Yeah. I don't know how our listeners are going to react to this, Jay, 'cause you were just getting them right away, you know.
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HANSEN: They're going to go woo, he's fast. You are. But you're a puzzle person, right?
HANSEN: Yeah. You did a great job. And to tell you what you'll get for playing our puzzle today, here's an actor I met at the South by Southwest Film Festival in Austin. His name is Chris Doubek.
CHRIS DOUBEK: For playing our puzzle today, you'll get a WEEKEND EDITION lapel pin, the "Scrabble Deluxe Edition" from Parker Brothers. I want that. The book series "Will Shortz Presents KenKen," Volumes 1, 2 and 3 from St. Martin's Press. One of Will Shortz's "Puzzlemaster Decks of Riddles and Challenges" from Chronicle Books, and a CD compilation of NPR's Sunday Puzzles. You're getting a lot of stuff.
LIVINGSTON: Thank you.
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HANSEN: What do you think?
LIVINGSTON: Sounds good.
HANSEN: So before we let you go Jay, tell us what member station you listen to.
LIVINGSTON: I'm a member of WBGO Newark, which doesn't air your program and WNYC New York, which does.
HANSEN: Well, we forgive WBGO because they do very good jazz programming.
HANSEN: Yes, exactly. Jay Livingston from New York City, thanks so much for playing with us.
LIVINGSTON: Oh, thank you. It was fun.
HANSEN: Oh, great. Okay. And, Will, you have a challenge for next week?
SHORTZ: Yes, this one is a little tricky. It comes from listener Mike Reese, who's a former writer-producer for "The Simpsons," and who co-created "The Critic." What six letter word beginning with the letter S, as in Sam, would be the same if it started with T-H? So again, what six letter word beginning with S, would be the same if it started with T-H?
HANSEN: Thanks a lot, Will.
SHORTZ: Thanks, Liane.
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