Crystal Cathedral: A Mega Church In Troubled Waters In order to pay back its debts, the mega church said it will sell its soaring glass building and 40-acre campus to a local real estate developer, who will then lease the buildings back to the church so services and programs can continue. The church hopes to buy everything back in four years.

Crystal Cathedral: A Mega Church In Troubled Waters

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But as NPR's Karen Grigsby Bates reports, money may not be the only problem.

KAREN GRISBY BATES: "The Hour of Power," once the brainchild of a young California pastor named Robert Schuller, is now fully middle-aged. At a service celebrating four decades of religious broadcasts, Schuller confessed to his congregation: The thing that worried him when he began his television ministry in 1970 is an even bigger challenge now.

ROBERT SCHULLER: It was the money that scared me, and that's where the anxiety still comes, because the costs go up and many of my strongest supporters are passing on.

GRISBY BATES: Mr. John Charles (Spokesman, Crystal Cathedral Ministries): We fill its biblical that we pay our debts and we pay them in full, and so that's our ultimate goal.

GRISBY BATES: To do that, the Crystal Cathedral's soaring glass building and 40-acre campus will be sold to a local real estate developer, who will then lease the buildings back to the church so services and programs can continue. The church hopes to buy everything back in four years.

RICHARD FLORY: Four years is a really, really fast turnaround to come up with $30 million when they're $50 million in debt right now.

GRISBY BATES: That's Richard Flory, a sociologist at the University of Southern California's Center for Religion and Civic Culture. He's been charting the progress of megachurches for a few years now, and he thinks the Crystal Cathedral's repayment plans may be unduly optimistic.

FLORY: The debts they report are anywhere between $46 and $50 million. They're selling it for $46 million and then they can buy it back for $30 million? Somebody's losing money.

GRISBY BATES: The church wasn't always financially pinched, says Diane Winston. In the beginning, growth was quick and contributions generous. Winston specializes in media and religion at USC's Annenberg School, and she says Schuller's personal appeal was important when the church was founded.

DIANE WINSTON: At the time, he wasn't trying to organize a megachurch. He was knocking on people's doors in Orange County, California, trying to figure out why so many people didn't go to church and how he might get them to come to his church.

GRISBY BATES: The congregation that started out with hundreds in a drive-in eventually morphed into thousands who met in a huge building that became a landmark, complete with orchestra and several choirs.

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GRISBY BATES: Winston says Schuller's largely homogenous congregation doesn't appeal to many of today's perspective members.

WINSTON: And it's not surprising that given the time in which he organized that church and the way he did it, that he might have had a clientele that reflected what Orange County looked like at that time. And the fact that he hasn't grown the church in significant ways may explain why it's graying and why its so white.

GRISBY BATES: Scott Thumma teaches at the Hartford Seminary and is an expert on megachurches. The disclosure of this church's recent financial troubles didn't shock him.

SCOTT THUMMA: The Crystal Cathedral has been having problems now for quite a few years, and figured it would was only a matter of time until they had to seriously restructure their financial situation.

GRISBY BATES: And it's not just the money. Thumma says changing its style of worship, broadening the demographics, not only of Schuller's congregation but the staff that serves them, is critical.

THUMMA: Culture and society and worship styles have changed. But because his brand, in essence, was defined by TV for decades, it was very difficult also to shift away from that.

GRISBY BATES: Karen Grigsby Bates, NPR News.

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