How Musicians Make Money On Spotify : The Record The streaming music service offers millions of songs to millions of users, but it's not yet a reliable source of income for musicians.

How Musicians Make Money On Spotify

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And I'm David Greene. If you like streaming music on Spotify, you are not alone. Spotify has only been around a little more than a year in the U.S., and it already has some 2 million users. The streaming is convenient for listeners, but maybe not so profitable for musicians. Some musicians, like Adele and Coldplay, held off on putting new albums on Spotify because of its low royalty payments. NPR's Laura Sydell has more, in the second part of our series on how musicians make money online.

LAURA SYDELL, BYLINE: Spotify has millions of songs. And you can access them for free on a computer, if you don't mind a few ads. The service includes big acts, like Katy Perry; and independents, like Erin McKeown.

(SOUNDBITE OF SONG, "ALL THAT TIME THAT YOU MISSED")

SYDELL: McKeown gets paid each time someone plays one of her songs. And because she doesn't have a label, she gets all of the money. She asked her accountant to figure out exactly how much that is.

: I make .004 cents per play, on Spotify. [POST-BROADCAST CORRECTION: McKeown misspoke. She makes $.004 - just under a half-cent - per play.]

SYDELL: Not much. McKeown says most of the money she sees from online activity, comes from iTunes downloads.

: For me, most people go to iTunes. I'm paid fairly from iTunes. My entire catalog is represented.

SYDELL: McKeown worries that her fans will stop buying downloads of her songs, and listen to her on Spotify for free - without realizing that they're not supporting her so much, financially.

: I think a lot of people who used to buy music at full price, use Spotify - maybe because they don't know; or maybe because it's a great service, on the consumer side.

SYDELL: Executives at Spotify see it differently. Ken Parks, the company's chief content officer, says the service isn't cannibalizing digital downloads; it's luring people away from such unauthorized file-sharing sites as Pirate Bay. Like that site, Spotify was born in Sweden - a country, says Parks, famous for its love of file-sharing.

KEN PARKS: Piracy was sort of ingrained in that culture. But now, Spotify is ingrained in that culture, in a way that's reduced piracy greatly. It's removed the incentive to pirate.

SYDELL: Parks says Spotify has around 15 million users worldwide, though he wouldn't break down the numbers. However, a document leaked to NPR shows over a million users in Sweden. Not bad for a country of just 9 and a half million people. Mattias Lovkvist is the CEO of the independent Swedish label Hybris Recordings. He says Spotify shifted the conversation there.

MATTIAS LOVKVIST: Two years ago, the downloading debate - about downloading illegal music - was a really hot topic in Sweden. Now, it's completely cold. Nobody talks about it anymore.

SYDELL: Lovkvist says what's even more significant, is that around 90 percent of Swedish users have upgraded from the free Spotify service to the paid one, which has no ads and offers access on mobile devices. He says artists get a higher royalty rate when paid subscribers stream their songs. At least one Hybris musician is making a substantial amount of money from Spotify.

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SYDELL: Jonathan Johansson sells out theaters in Sweden. And Lovkvist says the singer made $20,000 in Spotify royalties, the first week his most recent album was out.

LOVKVIST: You can see a correlation, when you have a successful artist. If you get a lot of media for an artist, it's easy for people to just click on Spotify, and listen to it. And that generates money for us.

SYDELL: But in other countries, most online revenue has been coming from iTunes and Amazon downloads. Martin Mills, who runs Beggars Group - a consortium of independent labels that boasts Adele among its artists - says Spotify does cut into sales.

MARTIN MILLS: It does cannibalize, to some extent. I mean, it's fashionable to say it doesn't but of course, it does. We all know people who've either stopped buying records or stopped downloading, and are just using Spotify.

SYDELL: Independent labels, like those in Mill's Beggars Group, negotiate their own agreements with Spotify. And he says he is seeing some of his artists make more from the service. But the key seems to be the number of subscribers. The more people using the service, the more royalties it generates. So it's likely to be a long time before Spotify in the U.S., for example, comes close to matching its numbers in Sweden, where more than 10 percent of the population uses the streaming service. And of course, the bigger the artists, the more people will stream their songs.

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