Interview: Franklin Foer And Marc Tracy, Editors Of 'Jewish Jocks' Talking about Jews in sports touches a "very central place in the Jewish psyche," says Franklin Foer. He and co-editor Marc Tracy have compiled an "unorthodox hall of fame" celebrating Jewish contributions to American athletics.
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'Unorthodox' Book Of 'Jewish Jocks' Puts Stereotypes Aside

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Attention, sports fans. We have a new book called "Jewish Jocks: An Unorthodox Hall of Fame." It's a book of brief essays compiled and edited by Franklin Foer and Marc Tracy. Mr. Foer is editor of The New Republic magazine. Mr. Tracy is a writer there. Welcome to you both.

FRANKLIN FOER: Thank you so much.

MARC TRACY: Thanks so much.

WERTHEIMER: Now, we've had a number of books about great Jewish athletes starring Sandy Koufax and Hank Greenberg. What does this book do for us that all the others have not done?

FOER: Well - this is Frank. We went out to our favorite writers, our favorite novelists and journalists, and asked them to write about their favorite Jewish jocks. And it's a portrait of the history of sports and the very important role that Jews played in creating American sports.

WERTHEIMER: Marc, I thought the answer was going to be that you didn't just stick with players.

TRACY: Well, we most certainly did not. I mean we recognized the myriad ways that Jews contributed to sports. We included people such as Howard Cosell, who is certainly no one's idea of a jock probably, but at the same time we consider to be a Jewish jock because he changed the way Americans view, in this case, football.

WERTHEIMER: Now, you say in the introduction that the arrival of Jews in big-time sports came late. It came with the arrival of Zionism. Could you explain that?

FOER: This is Frank. When we're talking about the subject of Jews in sports, we're going to a very central place in the Jewish psyche. Jews over the ages resisted sports because sports were perceived as gentile activities. Then there was also this looming anti-Semitic caricature of the Jew, that the Jew was bookish, effeminate, wan, stuck in the ghetto and incapable of manly activity. And Zionism, when it arose, tried to rebut this anti-Semitic caricature head-on.

WERTHEIMER: The entry of Jewish athletes into big-time American sports was basketball. Your essay in this book, Marc Tracy...


WERTHEIMER: about a great Jewish basketball player, Dolph Schayes.

TRACY: That's right. And Dolph Schayes is considered by Jew and non-Jew alike to be one of the, you know, all-time greatest basketball players. And he very much represented the culmination of Jewish participation in basketball as far as being on the court was concerned. Because he was a rookie in 1948.

He grew up, you know, in the Bronx, and as he put it to me, in the Bronx in the 1930s and 1940s, there were a lot of Jews. They all played basketball because it was the sport of urban spaces. You didn't need too many resources. And he was a great basketball player.

And what you sort of see happen is something developed in New York City, especially among the Jews, called the City Game. The City Game, its locus was City College, which was coached by a guy named Nat Holman. One of Nat Holman's players was a guy named Red Holzman.

Red Holzman, I see you smiling. I'm not...

WERTHEIMER: All-time coach.

TRACY: An absolute all-time coach. Won two championships for the New York Knicks, the only two New York Knicks championships in history, and probably for the remainder of history.

And the City Game, which Red Holzman really brought to full fruition with these Knicks, involves passing and moving without(ph) the ball and backdoor cuts, because that was the only way to beat more physically endowed teams. And that actually turned out to be a better way to play basketball, and it turned out to be the way that everyone plays basketball to this day.

So one of Red Holzman's players for the New York Knicks who imbibed the City Game was Phil Jackson, who created his, you know, pass-happy triangle offense, and Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant did a few things with that.

WERTHEIMER: Those are not Jewish jocks.

TRACY: Unwittingly Jewish jocks.

FOER: Yes.


WERTHEIMER: Well, now, Franklin Foer, you also contributed an essay and yours was about that other great Jewish sport - boxing. Benny Leonard...

FOER: That's right.

WERTHEIMER: ...the boxer who loved his mother.

FOER: Benny Leonard is rated by most boxing historians as one of the top 10 greatest. He became champion in 1917, and he remained champion until 1925, and he just dominated the sport. And in fact, in the interwar years, one-third of all the boxing champions in this country were Jewish. And the boxers that we produced actually transformed the game.

And Benny Leonard certainly transformed the sport of boxing with his methodology. He was an extremely slippery boxer. He was extraordinary at using feints and counterpunching and assessing the strategic weaknesses of his opponents.

And Jews, across all matters of sports, are usually pegged as the scientific boxer or the scientific hitter, which is another way of imposing a stereotype on the Jewish athlete that could be perceived as extremely flattering or as demeaning. Henry Ford, a notorious anti-Semite, thought that the way that Benny Leonard boxed, with all of his feints and all of his trickery, was fundamentally unmanly.

WERTHEIMER: An even more famous boxer, if he had traveled all over the country, entering(ph) matches - but he didn't.

FOER: Benny Leonard was a devoted mama's boy and once he became successful, was famously, notoriously devoted to his mother. And he would call her after every match.

WERTHEIMER: To assure her that he hadn't been hurt.

FOER: To assure her that he was still alive. Yes. And when he retired from the sport, he did so announcing not only that he wanted to spend time with his family, but more specifically, that he wanted to spend time with his mother.

WERTHEIMER: I liked Leo Liebowitz's essay on Don Lerman.

FOER: Yes.

WERTHEIMER: Who is described in the essay as being the Ben Franklin of competitive eating.

TRACY: That's very true. This is Marc now. You know, people might be familiar with the Coney Island hot dog contest, the whole competitive eating thing, which has really taken off in the past 10 or 12 years. And the reason it's only taken off in the past 10 or 12 years is because of Don Lerman.

Don Lerman was the one who, more than anyone else, figured out how to make it a sport. This is a guy who, you know, was a businessman. He sold day-old bread to supermarkets - made a fortune, retired, and then really just as a lark that he was going to start doing competitive eating.

And what he quickly noticed was that whereas everyone else was just trying to eat as much ice cream or jalapenos or whatever as you can, he turned it into an almost mechanized sport. He would, you know, take the butter - because butter-eating is one sort of competitive eating - and he would give each butter - he'd take a chomp, quarter-turn, chomp, quarter-turn, chomp, quarter-turn.

You can see him on YouTube and it's very apparent that he's treating it as a science. You know, it's not what you think of as a typical sport, but Don Lerman attacked it with all of the rigor and all the intensity that the true athlete brings to his craft.

WERTHEIMER: Marc Tracy and Franklin Foer's book is called "Jewish Jocks: An Unorthodox Hall of Fame." Gentlemen, thank you very much.

FOER: Thank you.

TRACY: A pleasure.

WERTHEIMER: You're listening to MORNING EDITION from NPR News. I'm Linda Wertheimer.


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