Record Label Picks Copyright Fight — With The Wrong Guy : All Tech Considered Lawrence Lessig was not pleased when Liberation Music persuaded YouTube to take down one of his online lectures because of an alleged copyright violation. So Lessig, one of the most famous copyright attorneys in the world, decided to take a stand against broad, intimidating takedown notices.

Record Label Picks Copyright Fight — With The Wrong Guy

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An Australian record label may have picked a fight with the wrong guy. The label sent a standard takedown notice when computers identified their music in a video online. Well, it turns out that video was posted by one of the world's most famous copyright attorneys. And as NPR's Laura Sydell reports, he is suing the record company right back.

LAURA SYDELL, BYLINE: Lawrence Lessig has travelled around the world doing a lecture about how copyright law needs to adapt to the Internet age.

LAWRENCE LESSIG: I showed a series of examples of how people were using the Internet in order to create culture and share their culture and remix other people's creations. And a particularly powerful example of this is a series of remixes and the song is "Lisztomania."


LESSIG: And somebody took that song and remixed it with clips from the movie "The Breakfast Club."

SYDELL: The video went viral. It inspired other videos in which people pretended to be the actors in "The Breakfast Club" dancing to "Lisztomania" by the band Phoenix. Lessig posted his lecture on YouTube. YouTube uses a technology that scans videos and finds copyrighted songs.

Many labels and artists have agreed to let the songs stay up, in return they get a cut of the money YouTube gets from ads it runs with the videos. But some labels, like Liberation Music which owns the rights to "Lisztomania," just want it taken down.

LESSIG: The computer bots finally got around to noticing that I had used a clip from this song "Lisztomania." Liberation Music then fired off threats of a lawsuit to me if I didn't take it down.

SYDELL: At first, YouTube did take it down. But being a copyright attorney, Lessig knew his rights. He was entitled to use these clips in a lecture under a legal doctrine known as fair use.

LESSIG: If I'm using it for purposes of critique, then I can use if even if I don't have permission of the original copyright owner.

SYDELL: Liberation Music eventually backed down. But too late, from Lessig's point of view. He's invoking another part of the copyright law.

LESSIG: Which basically polices bad-faith lawsuits, bad-faith threats made fraudulently or without proper basis. And our view is that's exactly what happened in this case.

SYDELL: Liberation Music did not respond to NPR's numerous requests for comment, but this kind of takedown notice is fairly common, according to Corynne McSherry, an attorney with the Electronic Frontier Foundation who is representing Lawrence Lessig. The EFF is a nonprofit civil liberties group.

CORYNNE MCSHERRY: I get contacted all the time by folks who have had their material taken down and often I'll go and I'll take a look at what's been taken down, and it's clearly ridiculous.

SYDELL: The problem is that a lot of these people are afraid to fight back. If they lose, McSherry says, they might have to pay up to $150,000 a song.

MCSHERRY: And for most regular people, that's a pretty scary possibility.

SYDELL: It was certainly a scary possibility to Bob Cronin, a DJ living in Atlanta who does mash-ups of songs and occasionally posts them online.


BOB CRONIN: So really it's just trying to make music that's fun and surprising and something where they recognize both tracks and are like, oh, it's that great '80s tune I like.


SYDELL: It was fun until Cronin got a notice: take it down or be sued.

CRONIN: Basically, I was scared. It's what do you have to gain, what do you have to lose? And when you're a guy like me, you have everything to lose, and you really are not going to get a lot back from fighting Warner Bros. or something.

SYDELL: While it's somewhat debatable as to whether Cronin's mash-ups are protected speech, there isn't much doubt that Lessig's lecture is a fair use. Lessig is suing Liberation Music because he wants labels to stop relying on automated systems to send out takedown notices.

LESSIG: What we've got is this computerized system threatening people about content that's on the Web, much of it, and certainly in my case, legally on the Web, which is leading to what we think of as a very significant chilling of completely legitimate and protected speech.

SYDELL: Lessig hopes his suit will set a precedent that will persuade copyright holders to put human beings who know the law back into the equation. Laura Sydell, NPR News.

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