Interview: Jan Swafford, Author Of 'Beethoven: Anguish and Triumph' Born in a moment of despair, as its creator was staring down hearing loss, Beethoven's Third Symphony is as odd as it is transcendent.
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Beethoven's 'Eroica,' A Bizarre Revelation Of Personality

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Beethoven's 'Eroica,' A Bizarre Revelation Of Personality

Beethoven's 'Eroica,' A Bizarre Revelation Of Personality

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ARUN RATH, HOST:

If you've heard many of my music interviews, you know I love a lot of different types of music. But there is one, single figure who opened up my eyes to the transformative power of music and launched a lifelong obsession - Beethoven.

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RATH: So you can imagine how I felt when I saw one of my favorite writers on music, Jan Swafford, had completed a new biography of the great composer. The problem with interviewing him, though, is a big one. How can we cover the range of Beethoven's life in this 950-page book in one interview? The simple answer is we can't. So we decided to focus on just a single work - a piece that changed the very nature of music, "Beethoven's Third Symphony," the "Eroica." Jan Swafford, author of "Beethoven: Anguish And Triumph" joins me. Jan, welcome to the program.

JAN SWAFFORD: Great to be here.

RATH: So I want to start off by getting right to the music. And we can go right to the start of the symphony because right in the beginning, the "Eroica" is weird. It starts with Beethoven practically punching you in the face.

(SOUNDBITE OF SONG, "BEETHOVEN'S THIRD SYMPHONY")

SWAFFORD: For the beginning of a symphony it's pretty aggressive, yeah. I don't know anything before it quite like it. The cellos - in no symphony had the cellos ever taken the opening theme alone, the way they do there.

(SOUNDBITE OF SONG, "BEETHOVEN'S THIRD SYMPHONY")

SWAFFORD: Beethoven really liberated the cello. In most classical symphonies, the cellos are just sawing along the way with the basses. And Beethoven more and more gave them independent parts.

RATH: To give some context here, as Beethoven is working on the "Third Symphony," he's also confronting the loss of his hearing.

SWAFFORD: Well, we can kind of understand this in modern terms as the full weight of a disability hitting him in the face. In 1802, he finally had to face the fact that he really was going deaf. And he really was not going to be a composer pianist anymore, but just a composer. And his health problems, which were chronic and miserable on top of the deafness, were probably not going to go away. And his life was going to be wretched, essentially. And he was right. It was, to a large extent - physically. And then, the "Eroica" came out. Although, I think he would've wrote the "Eroica" anyway. I think if that had never happened, he still would've written the "Eroica." But from that point on, the next seven years were just beyond belief in his output.

(SOUNDBITE OF SONG, "BEETHOVEN'S THIRD SYMPHONY")

RATH: His title of the "Eroica" referring to a hero - the original hero he had in mind was Napoleon. Can you explain what Beethoven found heroic about Napoleon?

SWAFFORD: Well, in those days, Napoleon was in the full glory of his power. There had never been anybody like him. He sort of raised himself from nobody by his own bootstraps to be the most powerful person in the world. And his reputation among liberals and all over Europe was the man who was going to bring, you know, representative governments and good laws to all of Europe. He was going to complete the French Revolution. And so he was exulting Napoleon, basically, as a benevolent despot.

RATH: And how do we hear this character, this kind of revolutionary character, reflected in the music?

SWAFFORD: Well, in interesting ways. The first movement is the symbolic battle, but there's something very weird about it, which is that it's in three-beat. It's in three-four.

RATH: It's more of a dancing meter.

SWAFFORD: It is. It's like a waltz in meter. (Laughing) You know, it has this sort of waltzy swing. The only explanation I can offer is that Beethoven wanted an abstraction of heroism without military music. But it takes the rest of the symphony for the kind of story to play out.

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RATH: There is a march, but it's a funeral march.

SWAFFORD: Yeah. I mean, the logical thing - after the battle, what do you have? You bury the dead. There's a funeral march, which, I think, is an absolutely French Revolutionary style, humanistic funeral march. It's not a hymn to God. It's a hymn to humanity. And it's so expressive and so tragic and so original musically. And there's a big horn fugue in the middle that, to me, is one of the greatest moments in music. That moment is one of the reason I, and probably a lot of people, are musicians today.

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RATH: And the finale...We're introduced to a melody that's kind of - it's sort of lopey and dull and kind of ugly.

SWAFFORD: The finale, at the time, defines what the - a lot of critics of the time called the bizarre. (Laughing) It was just incomprehensible because it starts off with this kind of militaristic eruption. And then it goes into this little - this very simple baseline - bum bum bum bum bum bum - just absolutely nothing. But as I say in the book, it's a nothing on which anything can be built. It begins in this tone of very light dance music and gradually becomes more and more sort of heroized. It becomes more and more heroic. And I think in the terms of the program, the finale is what the hero brings to the world, the ideal society which respects freedom and in which people like a Napolean and a Beethoven can rise as high as their own abilities can take them.

RATH: You know, at the outset, I described the "Eroica" as a symphony that changed music. Do you think that's fair to say?

SWAFFORD: Absolutely. It showed how massive and ambitious and historic, even, a symphony could be. And it was a revelation of individual personality in music, of a kind of powerful personality. He was an enormously powerful individual. And from the "Eroica" on, every piece, every ambitious piece of his, anyway, was an extraordinary individual.

(SOUNDBITE OF SONG, "BEETHOVEN'S THIRD SYMPHONY")

RATH: Jan Swafford. His new book is "Beethoven: Anguish And Triumph." Thank you so much.

SWAFFORD: Thank you, Arun.

(SOUNDBITE OF SONG, "BEETHOVEN'S THIRD SYMPHONY")

RATH: This music was written by L.V. Beethoven, and our theme music was written by BJ Leiderman. This is WEEKEND EDITION from NPR News. I'm Arun Rath.

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