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Obama's Big Bid To Change Sick-Leave Laws May Hinge On Small Business

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DAVID GREENE, HOST:

Middle class economics - that's what President Obama named the economic approach he pitched in his State of the Union address this week. He asked Congress to help him make community college free and to cut taxes for the middle class. And he asked lawmakers to...

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PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: Send me a bill that gives every worker in America the opportunity to earn seven days of paid sick leave. That's the right thing to do.

GREENE: Now, the business lobby objects to this idea, but some cities and states already mandate it and NPR's Yuki Noguchi reports on how that's going.

YUKI NOGUCHI, BYLINE: Even opponents of this seven day a year paid sick leave proposal agree work isn't something that can or should be done in sickness as well as in health.

LISA HORN: It's not that we think paid leave is a bad idea. In fact, we think employers should offer paid leave. But we just got to think about how we could encourage them to do it voluntarily rather than pursue rigid mandates.

NOGUCHI: Lisa Horn is a lobbyist with the Society for Human Resource Management. She says businesses would prefer flexibility. So whether it's sick time or vacation, workers can choose how to spend their leave. The affect, Horn says, of a federal paid sick leave rule would be that businesses will cut back on other benefits.

HORN: For all employers, regardless of size, they have a finite pool of resources that are dedicated to their total rewards package.

NOGUCHI: About 40 million mostly part-time or lower wage workers do not earn paid sick leave, but state and local laws are gaining ground since San Francisco mandated paid sick leave in 2006. Since then 15 more cities and three states have passed similar measures, including Louis Lista's home state of Connecticut in 2011. Lista owns the Pond House Cafe in Hartford, which employs fewer than 50 workers and doesn't fall under the state's new statute, but he has offered paid sick time for a decade.

LOUIS LISTA: I don't think we've seen a huge cost impact. I think it's helped us a lot with the retention rate.

NOGUCHI: Besides not wanting sick workers infecting food or their coworkers, he says competitors don't poach his people as easily. Chibuzo Njeze owns Spring View Pharmacy in Irvington, New Jersey, which also recently passed a bill. Njeze says he's offered the benefit for at least 16 years and many employees have stayed at least that long, which saves him both time and customers.

CHIBUZO NJEZE: In the pharmacy, customers are usually cantankerous. They are not happy to be there. They want to go home quickly, so if you have to keep training new technicians, that slows you down considerably.

NOGUCHI: This, says Ruth Milkman, is the typical experience. Milkman is a City University of New York sociologist who has studied both sick leave and family leave.

RUTH MILKMAN: With paid family leave, there was all the same kind of alarmist rhetoric about how this was going to be a disaster, especially for small business. Actually, in that study we found that the small businesses were more positive than the larger ones about the program.

NOGUCHI: Regardless, given the political divisions, the Republican-led Congress is highly unlikely to take up the issue. And on this point, both opponents and supporters of paid sick leave agree. But Dan Cantor says that's almost beside the point. Cantor is director of the Working Families Party, a political group that campaigns on progressive issues.

DAN CANTOR: The fight is at the state level. That's why the president putting his voice behind this is so valuable. It just raises the stature of the issue tremendously.

NOGUCHI: He says sick leave measures are gaining support in legislatures in Maryland, New Jersey and Oregon. Yuki Noguchi, NPR News, Washington.

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