A Decade After Blowing The Whistle On The FBI, Vindication After Robert Kobus alerted his bosses to improper payroll practices, he was transferred to an all but empty office. The Justice Department eventually determined the FBI had retaliated against him.


A Decade After Blowing The Whistle On The FBI, Vindication

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The Federal Bureau of Investigation faces pressure to protect some of its own. The agency is accused of failing to support whistleblowers. Members of Congress and agency watchdogs are raising questions. The issue here is not the presence of whistleblowers in the FBI. It's how the FBI handles their complaints about fraud and abuse. NPR's Carrie Johnson has the story of one man who spoke up.

CARRIE JOHNSON, BYLINE: Robert Kobus doesn't fit the stereotype of the disgruntled employee. He's worked in administrative jobs at the FBI for 34 years, and Kobus says he's seen the bureau at its best.

ROBERT KOBUS: My sister, Deborah Kobus, was a 9/11 victim. And the FBI treated me so well during that time. You know, they really cared. I had a lot of friends. And I know how important it is to have a strong FBI.

JOHNSON: His sister died in the World Trade Center's south tower. He proudly wore his FBI jacket when he helped walk out the last piece of steel at the site. But just a few years later, Kobus noticed a problem, a small time problem that could have been fixed right away. He says a bureau supervisor in New York was allowing favorite employees to take time off for their birthdays, so the government had to pay more for other people to work overtime.

KOBUS: You know, this is not our money. This is taxpayers' money. And I want it to be correct.

JOHNSON: Kobus documented his concerns in an email. He says he hoped new managers would fix the problem. Instead, the new supervisors were furious with him.

KOBUS: I was basically told, we're going to look at the person that initially did it. And we're going to also look at you. And we may fire him, or we may fire you.

JOHNSON: Soon after, they transferred him to an office in Lower Manhattan, where he sat alone among 130 empty desks.

KOBUS: You know, sitting on a deserted floor, you are basically a pariah. My true friends stayed with me - the one, two that I had. But everybody else, they would avoid me like the plague.

JOHNSON: But the worst, Kobus says, is how his request for flex time was handled. Kobus wanted to leave work early to visit his mom in a nursing home, but the FBI sat on the paperwork for months. The Justice Department eventually determined the FBI had retaliated against Kobus for reporting misconduct.

DAVID COLAPINTO: This is a pattern.

JOHNSON: David Colapinto is a lawyer at the National Whistleblowers Center who worked on the Kobus case.

COLAPINTO: Robert's case reflects how the FBI and the Department of Justice treat people who have the courage to come forward and report wrongdoing.

JOHNSON: He says the government long ago found Kobus was in the right. But the case still took more than nine years to work through the system.

COLAPINTO: The reason this gets dragged out is for the Justice Department and the FBI to send a message to other employees. If you blow the whistle, this is what's going to happen to you. You're going to be put on the floor, isolated, alone.

JOHNSON: And if this is how the FBI handled a penny ante case, Colapinto says, imagine how it might respond to a big national security debacle. The FBI didn't want to comment. In testimony to Congress this year, authorities said they understand the important role whistleblowers play. But Kobus and his lawyers say no one at the FBI was ever punished for being involved in the time card fraud. In fact, they say, some of the supervisors went on to win promotions. That concerns Iowa Republican Senator Charles Grassley.

SENATOR CHARLES GRASSLEY: Whistleblowers should not have to fear retaliation for speaking up. And they should not have to wait a decade for relief. And they should not have to apply to Congress to see justice done.

JOHNSON: Grassley is exploring how to make it easier for FBI employees to call out bad behavior and misuse of funds. That includes whether to allow bureau workers to sue if the agency and Justice Department take too long to review complaints. An investigation by the Government Accountability Office found the system for reporting whistleblower allegations at the FBI is confusing and burdensome. FBI workers have fewer protections than federal employees at many other agencies because of the bureau's sensitive national security operations. That's something Robert Kobus says should change.

KOBUS: I still enjoy working there. And I am still going to try my best to make changes so that no one else is in a situation like I am.

JOHNSON: Carrie Johnson, NPR News, Washington.

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